World’s Largest Supercollider Could Destroy the Universe
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by Mike Zazaian September 12, 2006 - 9:17pm, 374 Comments
As the Cernier company prepares to test the world’s largest supercollider physicists express concern that too much is being left to chance.
The Cernier Company or CERN, the world’s largest physics research firm, is currently in the process of building what would be the world’s largest working supercollider. Known as “Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva.
By accelerating protons toward each other at 99.999999% the speed of light the LHC can recreate conditions similar to those that resulted from the Big Bang, ultimately alighting a great deal about the particles and forces that comprise our Universe. A press release from CERN better illuminates their intent for the project:
…Our current understanding of the Universe is incomplete. We have seen that the theory we use, the Standard Model, leaves many unsolved questions. Among them, the reason why elementary particles have mass, and why are their masses different is the most perplexing one. It is remarkable that such a familiar concept is so poorly understood.
LHC functions by accelerating two counter-rotating beams of protons toward each other at high speeds. By cooling magnets to near absolute zero (-273 degrees celcius) with an enormous cryogenics system, the LHC can move particles toward each other at speeds only one millionth of a percent away from the speed of light.
And while Physicists have the logistics of the LHC well in hand ideas about its outcome are strictly theoretical. According to one scenario tiny black holes could be produced which hopefully would decay into what is known as Hawking radiation (the tinier the black hole, the faster it evaporates). If these black holes fail to decay, however, the consequences could be disasterous. CERN software developer Ran Livneh has expressed some concerns about the project:
This physical realm is unknown, and dangerous phenomena might arise…Any physicist will tell you that there is no way to prove that generated black holes will decay. The consequences of being mistaken are unfathomable. This subject deserves serious unbiased discussion.
Despite these theoretical discrepencies the LHC project will continue as scheduled toward its launch in 2007. Mankind has never progressed itself due to fear of the unknown. Although the results of the Large Hadron Collider could potentially be disasterous, the intellectual consequences of not conducting the experiment could be equally so.
These guys invented the H-Bomb without thinking about the consequences. Makes me not feel better, when they try to do such kinds of expermiments…
Chris Fueg
I have to admit, I’m not particularily jumping up and down at the thought of these guys colliding protons to try and create mini black holes.
Perhaps if I were a physicist I would more strongly believe that potentially dangerous actions such as that were worth answering a few scientific questions.
I do understand the importance of what they are doing… still, it does beg a question or two.
Justin
The author appears biased. Consider the concluding statement:
‘the intellectual consequences of not conducting the experiment could be equally so’
Nnot testing Hawking radiation experimentally is a disaster of equal proportion to creating a black hole that swallows the planet? (Hopefully it will get indigestion after swallowing Switzerland and then stop.)
They must want to find out really badly.
ptd
I agree with Chris, Justin and ptd, the article author is not only biased he tends towards the dramatic. Imagine the following spoken in a deep ominous voice, ‘the intellectual consequences of not conducting the experiment could be equally [disastrous]’.
Me thinks not. We would remain ignorant about certain things a little longer until we found a safer way to find the same answers. Personally, I can wait. I bet there are a whole bunch of Physicists’ grants and salaries, however, that can’t…
Asad Quraishi
Black holes aren not as powerful as you may think… also their strength depends on their mass, and mass can’t be spawned from the void in that quantity. Such a hole would be too small to “soak in” enough new mass to grow.
This is the kind of science taught to children at school. You should attend a school.
someguy
I think they should just do it no matter the concequesnce(pardon my spelling i am not a normal english speaer
jiij
Cool, this reminds me of “Angels and Demons” by Dan Brown. It’s amazing that they’re actually going to go through with this. I can’t wait.
keith
in before TIME PARADOX
Anonymous
In before I divided by zero.. o shi….
Erik
If ur a believer in god well u shouldnt care cuz we arnt all gunna die this way are we? exactly. if ur a scientist before a religous man then u should probly be kissin ur ass goodbye a min before they turn it on just in case. lol. if we all die.. who cares? u wont because ur dead. so yea if ur dead u dotn care that ur dead.
noyhcaT
IMMA CHARGIN’ MAH LAZER
IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZER
SHOOP DA WOOP!
EXCUSE ME WTF R U DOIN
DIVIDE BY ZERO…
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Doesn’t this brings up questions? The UN (well more like the US) wants Iran and N. Korea and every other country to stop using/researching nuclear technology, but when they’re doing reckless shit, who’s to keep them in check?
Because they need to be kept in check, make no mistake.
Anonymous
lol FAIL!!!
anonymous
Oh joy, plz dont destroy the universe.
Adonis
HAHAHA, OH WOW.
Anonymouse
We’re gonna die.
Tyler
PIME TARADOX.
Anonymouse
Can’t you dumbfucks see?! This is exactly it! This is the big bang v2! If this thing goes well, the black holes could very well…absorb each other…and that…would be the end of everything! At least hear out my simple plea. Hold the project for just 7 more months. My girlfriend is moving here to florida in 6 or 7 months and I want to be with her when everything ends.If you care about that, anyways….in truth, I just have a really bad feeling about this and think it should not be done. Who gives a damn about how the universe was created?! Especially since we might destroy it in the process of finding out. They say you can’t understand God. When you try to play god, bad things happen. Just trust me on that one.
Shadow2by4
POSTING IN END OF THE WORLD POSTING IN END OF THE WORLD POSTING IN END OF THE OH SHI-
on a side note, DONT FUCKING DO IT!!!
afroduck
Yes, because certainly the media and average people have thought of something some of the worlds smartest people haven’t.
http://doc.cern.ch/yellowrep/2003/2003-001/p1.pdf
Please. =P
Joe S.
DONT DO IT IM ONLY IN FIRST YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL YOUR GONNA WASTE YOUNG PEOPLES LIFE LIKE MINE.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE HAPPY AS CAN BE THEN YOU DESTROY THE WHOLE UNIVERSE , OH GO YOU!
GOD EVERYONE HAS LEARNT *THINK BEFORE YOU ACT*
WHICH CLEARLY, ‘CERN’ IS NOT DOING!
Anonomous
wow if guys like you were to have a say in ANYTHING the human race would never had left the bloody trees.
chma
As much as they’re smart they’re stupid.
Would they be there when they launch it? I guess not. Since they would die the minute they would launch it.
Anonymous
What the Fark?!!?
Some Farker
Subatomic blackholes? just another place to lose my socks
melkidt
GUYS. THIS IS LIKE RESIDENCE CASCADE STUFF.
THINK OF HALF-LIFE AND GORDON FREEMAN
:o
hmm. so on one hand we have learning more about the universe. on the other hand we have the possible destruction of the planet. honestly? i think we’re better off leaving well alone until more is known about it.
Me
lol do u guys like fruits basket???????
iinuyashasessi14313
Well if we do die that’s a couble billion years of evolving down the drain. (I said it at http://forums.gamewaredevelopment.com/index.php?. I’m just repeating it here because it was the coolest thing I have said all day.)
Psychohamster
1) mini black holes created
2) black holes don’t decay
3) slowly pulled to center of world
4) very rarely, particles will hit black holes and add to the power
5) ??????
6) PROFIT!!
anon
Hahaha! Nice comment, anon. Good for a hearty chuckle.
Mike Zazaian
Personally, I doubt the WORLD IS GOING TO END, and I am really excited to see what would happen when you do that. Hopefully we won’t all die in the process though.
Bob
No! Don’t destroy the universe! Destroying the universe is one of the leading causes of cancer!!!
Person from California
Why all the talk about God? God didn’t create the universe… get with the program
Stephen Hawking Esq.
The more responses I read here, the more I wish those scientists would hurry up and push the button..
Go CERN! Wipe the slate clean!
S. Brigitte
obviously the only people reading this blog are from /b/
anon
The link is a very interesting read. And also shows that there’s a higher probability of all out nuclear war then of the LHC destroying the world. And oh ya, believe everything the media tells you.
Guy who read post 21
Shut the fuck up and get it working already, i want my fucking moon lasers and i want them now!
Evildood
DO NOT WANT
Anonymous
Eh.. punch of retards. Light is a stream of protons, and always travels around the speed of the light. Since there is nearly unlimited sources of light in the universe, there is nearly unlimited amouth of protons colliding against each other at the speed of the light in unlimitedly short amouth of time. Learn physics.. oh, and black holes do decay, check mr. Hawking’s equations of the matter.
d00d
Creating black hole doesn’t destroy whole universe. There are already many black holes in our universe. But if we have black hole near earth, it suck it and and may suck whole solar system, but that’s it.
Anonymous
Light is not made of protons, light is made of photons. Lurk moar, d00d.
Anonymous
What media can do without really knowing what they are talking about is a pretty big thing, but what SOME humanoids can think about and talk based on the same wrong idea(s) is a really bigger and fascinating one - for psychiatrists for sure.
1.There are humanoids who are afraid without knowing what are afraid of - of this part the media took care explaining that the scientists “could” destroy the universe.
2.There are humanoids who really want to teach the rest od us physics - even if they don’t know enough, but they think they do.
3. The funny humanoids make us laugh…Thank you !
I don’t know where I stand or not, I don’t pretend to be better or worse than anybody because I’m probbaly not, but when I read some of these postings I might start to understand why its better to shut up when you don’t know what you’re talking about, this is the case especially for MEDIA peple who can spread wrong ideas and fear without any real basis.
Please refrain form publishing such ideas, stick to the sports and movie “stars”, its intellectually safer even though not so spectacular as when using words like “destroy”, “black hole”, “universe”
NoName
I almoust forgot, besides “CERN software developer Ran Livneh has expressed some concerns about the project..” I was wondering why whoever wrote the “scientific” article didn’t include other guys’ opinions on this matter like: janitors, cooks, drivers… - no offence intended for people having these jobs, but hey, why not since a programmer has expressed concern?
NoName
Who knows what will happen, but if they’re building something like this, id like to assume that they’re somewhat intelligent and not complete blathering fools on a power trip.
Desu
Why do the words “Resonance Cascade” spring to mind here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....ncident.22
Toffeeman
black holes have to obey the second law of thermodynamics meaning they have to become more and more disordered.. but the only way they can do that is by giving off radiation (ironically black holes do give off radiation but not in the conventional sense)… and in doing so evaporate in a time respective of its mass… a tiny tiny black hole will be gone in millionths of a second… dont worry.. we’re perfectly safe..
KevC
REPENT!!!!
Mike
I think they should do along with it, and I believe that the author is not biased in any sence, and if he is, I believe he is biased against conducting the experiment.
Also, why are people so concerned about the very slight chance that we may all die, who cares, we are an insignificant part of this universe, and for any person what is the difference between the entire world being decimated than yourself dying. The world is only how you percieve it, so if you die, the world does not exist, thus if you die, the entire world dies. I would much rather have the entire world get swallowed up by a black hole than have myself die of old age after living my life in a cubicle punching numbers into a computer.
i havent spent 50 years of my 16 years of life researching the matter so i don’t know all the dangers and complications that could occur, but I say that these scientists are awesome, but probably crazy, just like me.
Science is awesome, the public is not.
bakira
“According to one scenario tiny black holes could be produced which hopefully would decay into what is known as Hawking radiation (the tinier the black hole, the faster it evaporates). If these black holes fail to decay, however, the consequences could be disasterous.”
So….the machine MIGHT create black holes…..and if that happens then MIGHT not decay and destroy the planet….we arent even sure if there would be black holes to begin with
Radcliff
I say let them. What is the worse that can happen?
Ruairi X
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIR
moot
PORKCHOP SANDWHICHES
GIJOE
i can’t wait to be sucked into a black hole.
thanks guys
jonny slaughter
whoa damn, I have so many typos….. PORKCHOP SANDWICHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bakira
It’s the end of the world as we know it… And I feel fine!
Kitty-kat
I want to steal the power of the black holes. I will rule the galaxy with my new found power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sam
MAYBE JOHN FREEMAN, WHO IS GORDON FREEMAN’S BROTHER CAN STOP THE ZOMBIE PANTS AND DO A BACKFLIP ON HIS MOTORBIKE!
AND WALK REALY FAST, SO HE HAD TO GO!
srsly though:
I want a pocket black hole, i wanna throw stuff in it and see what happens
JOHN FREEMAN
I don’t want do die. In conclusion i dont care to learn more about physics and black holes As they say… ignorance is bliss. Unless there is no possibility that we will all die, i say nay unto thee.
Dinkeldorf
Hehe. I find this rather funny. With the nucular testing and stuff going whitch is even more likly to kill us all we try and learn about the universe with a test and kill ourselves.
Oh hell man, that’s hillarious!
All in seriousness we have so much stuff foing on in the world that can kill almost all life in the world and this kills us and it wasn’t even meant to? Geez man.
Matar
Did anyone stop to consider the possibility that this was the cause of the original big bang? Scientists trying to recreate it 4 billion years ago succeeded and now its groundhog day all over again?
Rob
Combined Salary for Research Team: 40 million dollars
Total Cost of Project: 20 billion dollars
Complete Destruction of the Planet: Priceless
TripleB
“lets see how long it’ll take to ruin the universe!!!”
Kayaku
to bad no one might never know the results ^^
Kayaku
Sheesh. Took you long enough for you all to figure this out. This is the key to world peace and infinate energy. Flip the switch allready.
God
Oh… well, i see the clear benifits
What if it does create a hole? so what? no big deal… It will most likely dissolve, if not, noone is going to know after 10 secconds. BUT if it does disolve, consider this: this technology wont be confidential forever. What happens when a AHLALALALALA maniac gets a hold of this, modifys it, and maked a big black hole?
I dont think were going to be able to do anything about that.
Test it once. dismantle it.
God
is this like for real? i mean, theres all this talk about half life and whatnot im just curious if this is some kid of sick joke, because honestly, it sounds like this is all one big joke. If its real, why isnt anyone doing anyhitng to tell the world about it.
Please, enlighten me. Anyone.
Zulfi aka Know
HEY it’s just like that BBC documentary called ” 5 ways to end with the world” or something like that
angelalita.com
i think this would be on the news by now everywhere and everyone would know this if it was true, way i see it, it’s all a big stupid prank and i don’t see the point at all, they’re just trying 2 get reactions like they’ve got on here already lets join in “oh no we’re gonna die, lets all go running round screaming!” shit theres a hole in the floor..lol…..im falling……help me!!!!!!!
im just me
Hmm. Reading through these comments is quite funny. It’s amazing how many people listen to the media more than their own common sense…
GENERAL RULE-OF-THUMB: When it comes to science, ignore the general media completly.
Islander
1. Build super colider
2. Use nase technologies
3. Move to mars
4. ????????
5. PROFIT!
Anonymous
Firstly, the black hole won’t suck in everything around it, because black holes have an event horizon. Secondly, it won’t have enough mass to last any longer than a microsecond, and thirdly, haven’t you watched Futurama? We all know it’s perfectly safe for kids to mess around with black holes, so one would deduce that scientists would be fairly capable as well.
jarrydn
Ok i dont know that much about science or astronomy but ont thing i do know is if you DUMB ASSES TRY TO DO THIS WE’RE GOING TO GET FUCKED DONT YOU KNOW THAT. WE ARE GOING TO GET SOOOOO FUCKED. AND IF WE LIVE THROUGH IT, BUT SOMETHING BAD STILL HAPPENED. I SHALL KILL YOU ALL WITH A FREAKEN BASE BALL BAT WITH NAILS IN IT. & IF WE DONT LIVE, ILL HAVE A SOOO BAD GRUDGE THAT ITLL HAUNT YOUR AFTER LIFE.
BAD DAY TO YOU, SIR’S
Me
Seeing all these comments then this world largest collider seems a bad thing…..I want to be saved atleast so dont fuck my life!
LavaBall
if this is true, a couple of things.
1. god created the universe. just actually take some time and think about it. the big bang theory is the most idiotic idea since time travel. ( i know the latter came after). everything was created from nothing…that’s foolishness. or 2 atoms collided and created all that is the universe and infinity? hahahaha, ridiculous.
2. what are they trying to find out? i mean, i know what they stated they’re looking for, but does anyone really care? the universe is here, you’re never gonna truly know how it was created until you die, at which point you either find out if there is a god/devil or if you just corrode in the earth. just accept it and move on. some things you can never know, so stop trying. nuclear tests can in no way destroy the planet unless it’s an all out war. if this thing can, then stop fuckin building it, cuz how is destroying the universe equal to finding out how many protons you can destroy.
day 1: protons collided, particles evaporated
day 2: protons collided, particles evaporated. pretty blue colors appeared.
day 3: i ate a cheese sandwich while watching these stupid invisible to the human eye thingies hit each other.
day 4: i quit. how boring.
nofirbys
Hey,
I was wondering if you needed someone to take into tht beast of a machine n i wud love to if u gave me the chance plz contact bak! Joe
Joe Hegarty
Okay, here goes:
1. The reason that they put that line in there about “if it doesn’t evaporate” is because of the way reporters ask questions and the way any well trained scientist thinks. The conversation went something like:
Reporter: So couldn’t the black hole swallow
the Earth?
Scientist: Well, current theory predicts that
they will evaporate before causing
damage.
Reporter: But it COULD happen right?
Scientist: Well, I suppose it COULD.
It is logically impossible to prove a negative, so he had to allow for the possibility. Yes, it is possible that quantum effects that current theory can’t comprehend could change the result, but most likely this would only change the rate at which it evaporates. If you want to find out about science as it really is, read a fucking scientific journal, or even a Scientific American (or a related magazine), don’t even give mass media publications a second glance, they’re all yellow.
Random Pissed Off Physics Student
… and man shall die at his own hands.
Isn,t that in some book some where?
Deadzert
…If you’re going to go on about that kind of shit, I would look at nuclear weapons. They’re much more likely to destroy mankind, either by simply wiping it out, or knocking it out of a stable orbit and send us hurtling off into space, or spiraling into the sun.
Random Pissed Off Physics Student
Here we go another time round it was a freak like this that killed the dinosaurs, and they are whinging about lil KIM Il Jung and his bomb sure the French were blowing the sjut out of Polynesia for 30 yrs and no on said boo, anyhoo i hope the tunnel under geneva is black hole proof, How can this shit be legal, i am a voting member of this planet and I say no.
Ozzie Spy
You are all retarded, I’m gone. Marinate in your own stupidity for all I care.
Random Pissed Off Physics Student
black hole’s closed. AIDS.
annon
I would gladly put my cock into a black hole, it gotta suck hard and it wont fucking complain and swallow all.
Kwijibo
IMMA CHARGIN MAH SUPERCOLLIDER
LOL
Wouldn’t this mean we’d have a space to throw all our toxic waste and garbage? I see this product coming to the local home to prevent the need of waking up from your local trash pickup truck pulling up to your house in the morning..
David
Well, we had a good run. See you all in the afterlife!
Extremewookie
what are you guys dumb.
did you not think of this terrorists-plane
or terrorists-machine=bigger boom.
R-pieces
You are retards. If you die the universe doesn’t exist? humanoids? insignificant part of the universe? what the hell is all this personal opinion-as-fact bullsh*t. wtf is wrong with you? go back to watching star trek and massaging your colon with rubber, tapered objects, you turd.
this isn’t going to destroy the universe. if cern honestly thought it posed that danger, i doubt they would go ahead with it. obviously they don’t seem too worried (although, granted, scientists can be quite irresponsible — they’re human). and what the hell is the sense of “knowing” something if you don’t really end up knowing it because you blew yourself and everyone else up in the process? this “knowledge at any price” attitude is so stupid, because it’s self-defeating! you might as well support dr. mengele and his experiments on human subject in auschwitz, you goddamn f**cktard. except that here, future physicists don’t exist. you know, i wish it did create blackholes that swallow up the earth, at least it would kill people like you, and the thought of it gives me great pleasure now, even though i might die in the process.
Hupa
Three Words-
Waste of Time
*PS- Complete Failure*
Nesis
Do you really think they’d be pushing for this to go ahead if they thought it might blow up in their faces? This isn’t some potential explosion which they can hide from, if these black-holes absorb enough matter it will mean the end of the world and everyone who lives on it. Themselves included.
Do you really think they’d be willing to do it if they hadn’t fully considered the risk involved? Honestly to me this seems like saying “when eating dinner there is a possibility you could choke”.
Cartwright
I suppose when they flipped the switch.. Some smart guys bombed LHC.. So in the process something went really wrong whos gonna take the rap for the aftermath? No amount of security can stop someone that is really determined to blow something up badly.. Think about it people, as much as we shouldnt play God nor should we remain ignorant there is always something that should never be messed with..
Passerby
What is everyone so worried about? We have
lived in peace with Whoopi Goldburg and Jesse Jackson for decades now. Surely one more Black
Hole will not disrupt anything.
Dill Holius Maximii the Redundant
the coolest hole since goatse!
i wank to scat porn
I just watched a show on the discovery channel and they didn’t really touch on the fact that it could destroy the earth. That’s just what was in the back of my mind while they were telling me how hard this dooms day device was to build. I got an itch to read up on it and found that I’m not the only one who is worried about losing everything ever created. My opinion on weather it is a good idea doesn’t matter, but I do disagree on how they are going about this. The future shouldn’t be in their hands and I don’t believe that knowing how the universe was created is equal to the possible end. I hope they inspect it as well as NASA inspects their Space Ships or we could all die.
Curtis hopefully I can read about this machines success
This creation has destruction written all over it. If we canot control a force of nature on Earth, how can we control one of the Universe; especially since we don’t really know much about it, black holes for instance, or worse.
I hope this gets looked into first. I don’t know, perhaps ask Stephen Hawking.
Joe
i say go ahead push the button nothing worse is going to happen to us than what people are already doing to this god forsaken planet. besides where breeding are selves out of extinction. i dont expect non-nuron firing morans to evolve into an avanced race if they dont try something theve never done before/everthing in this universe would kill us if you where stupid enough.
derrick
Oh dear, don’t go to a Univeristy!
I’ve been applying for my Physics Masters degree, and three of the six I’ve applied to have shown me equipment where they already make black holes.
They decay in seconds.
Sorry to disappoint, but to make a true black hole you need about 4,000 times the mass of our sun. Still you never know, maybe its lost down the back of the sofa…
Really people? Do you think that CERN would have got the (sorry I can’t remember the exact amount) USD 3-10 BILLION funding(?!) if real physicists thought for a second they would destroy the universe.
PS It wouldn’t destroy the universe. There are probably millions of black holes already in the universe. You’re still here.
James
Maybe the fact the thing broke in March 2007 was a warning that we are as well to have a think about this before we go any further.
If they can’t even explain how a child’s spinning top works, and they can’t despite what they tell you, why should we believe that they know anything about the forces that will be unleashed by this machine ….. or similar ones?
John
If you are a religious beleiver or not the fundamental aspect of being human is to work towards discovering the secret/meaning of life. What if this experiment manages to do this. What if it gives us every answer we want. They are trying to recreate the Higgs Boson Particle, the “God Particle”, this particle could tell us so much about life, about our existence. Whilst I am not happy about the scientists creating this experiment due to the threat of death to all of our solar system, hell maybe even the universe, i realise that life is about taking leaps of faith. If this goes wrong and we create a stable black hole, what’s to say that it will be tiny, think of it as the size of a tennis ball and the amount of Gees that will be exerted on our planet, black holes rip matter apart, so there goes the LHC, oops there goes switzerland, europe, the core of our planet (with it the ozone layer), our planet itself, maybe even our solar system before the black hole hinks of dieing. we could potentially kill all alien life (do you honestly think that all life exists on our planet). But hopefully when it goes right we will still be alive, possibly with the answer on how to extend the life of the sun, maybe with the ability to understand other realms of existence and maybe quite possibly the ability to create a universe. this experiment if successful could allow us so well to understand the Higgs Boson Particle that we can create replicators or transporters (star trek) or allow us to advance cell research and if ghosts do exist but on a differenet reality then we may be able to contact them.
Being human is about taking leaps of faith. At the moment we have no point to life apart from the big question mainly because we don’t understand, we are born, we live, we die. we are a dieing species (our planet is dieing so with it so are we) this may be our only chance to move forward, the chance to meet our creator (the particle or God), lets meet our end to this way of life with our heads held high. I’m only 16, I want a family, to move out on my own, to live untill I’m old, but i also want the human race to progress, to stop being greedy, to be at peace. I know that we will be safe because I have faith
david cunningham
Don’t destroy the universe…it’s where I keep my stuff.
BLARGH I DED
THIS IS MADNESS
Anonymous
IF we have to destroy ourselves to figure out the secrets of the Universe, are we really learning anything.
Matt
IF YOU KILL US AND THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE ILL SUE YOU PEOPLE!!!!lmao how do i do that
TJ Sparrow
They leave out one major detail, the actual process that goes on in Supercolliders form microscopic black holes, this isn’t a problem, as Hawking Radiation empirically proves that black holes, given time, evaporate based on surface area equations, etc. Microscopic black holes would evaporate mere nanoseconds after coming into existence, this supercollider isn’t a threat.
J. Walden
Trying to take us all with them -.- JUST BECOME AN HERO ALREADY AND LEAVE US OUT OF IT! >O
Damn emo scientists
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA!
guy who read post102
I don’t think it’s going to make a black hole, but it may have some other kind of effect. Think about this, black holes are super dense and have every form of attracting properties (magnetism, electricity, opposites attracting, the spinning force of a vortex especially at the speed of light, and gravitational pull, or…nuclear bond, and BLACK) and are magnefied by highly condensed matter and this just keeps amplifying by pulling matter into anti-space. You’d have to be able to collide atoms together at every angle of a sphere and while condensing them have matter becoming more dense by adding on and matter spinning around the new super-dense core with no space whatsoever at the speeds of light while being super heated at unmeasurable temperatures…You’d need a star, or possibly a planet to do that, and many or all different types of elements… ps. don’t steal my idea…I took pictures lol
Tony Oliver
LMAO…honestly, destroy the universe? I thought scientists are suppose to be smart, it won’t even destroy the world. I think it was a waste of time and money myself. I am thinking of persuing a science career myself. Time is impossible to change it always goes forward, time is just numbers used to measure change of the slightest moves in the universe, and in order to move back in time you’d have to move everthing the way it was at that time. People tend to make things more complicated than they are. Remember nothing= imposible and everything= infinate.
Tony Oliver
well we may just be fucked
Crimefaction
David Cunningham is a F@##$@! IDIOT.
David Cunnigham Hater!
I recently finished reading and old book by Carl sagan and I.S. Shklovsskii. In it Sagan and company were wondering why we have not yet seen evidence if radio communications from other advanced civilations. here is what was said “Another question of some relvence to our own time, and one whose interest is not restricted to the scientist alone, is this: Do technical civilizations tend to destroy themselves shortly after they become capable of interstellar radio communications?” I say lets save this exiperiment for one of the moons of the outer planets.
john orsage
the reason it may not be on the news is because thier keeping it secret cause they don’t want anybody to freak out.
firemoon
It’s not going to destroy us. You know why? The energy of a collision in the LHC will be around 10^12 electron volts. That’s a 1 with twelve zeroes after it.
However interactions of higher energy are going on all the time. A cosmic ray over Utah had an energy of 3*10^20 electron volts (three with twenty zeroes after it) and we’re clearly still here. The popular media has just heard the words ‘black holes’ and repeated it, adding as much scaremongering of their own as they can, ignoring the fact that the LHC most likely won’t even have the energy to create these harmless black holes in the first place.
Alex Wojtak
Its funny that they say that this could have disastrious results like the impending doom of countless lives wont somthing like a black hole be entirely deadly to the world?… buuuut not knowing how our universe works evens it out?… is unknown is just another word for 50\50 shot? somthing like this scares the hell outta me doest it scare you guys?
Johnny Tieman
Judging by the comments to this post, I don’t think there will be anything or anyone to miss if this experiment would go wrong and everyone would die. Seriously, you can’t spell. Any of you. And you obviously can’t even think. What you’re talking about is about as probable as a spontaneous materialization of a ton of pancakes in the accelerator ring. Don’t get me wrong; I like science and I like discussions about science, but this isn’t a discussion, this is something that escaped from kindergarten. Shut up or get a clue.
Oh, and on the topic about H-bombs and nuclear weapons; your reasoning, as far as I’ve seen, is that researchers are the ones responsible because they find out how to make bombs, and that the best way to stop “bad people” from using weapons is to have a shitload of weapons pointed at them. Well, about the people responsible for bombings: aren’t you somewhat loosing the detail that it’s your (I assume you’re Americans, judging from your style of argumentation) elected politicians, meaning effectively YOU, who make bombs and order bombing. So effectively we’re all murderers. Yay for us. The second argument, that you’d need weapons to keep people from using weapons is one of the dumbest I’ve seen. Who’s supposed to make sure that the guardian person don’t go bonkers and start killing people at random (*cough* once again a reference to U.S foreign politics)
LqR
I completely agree with LqR, what he said is scientifically backed up so no fears people, there are going to be no judgement day from that experiment, and politicians will still be able to happily send solders killing other solders. *Cheers*
OptimusPrime
whats wrong with man “playing”? if god was a perfectionist, then why do we suffer?
mc
I’m not particularly worried. It would beat dying in an RTA or of suicide, which as a young male in a developed country are statistically the other possibilities for my dying in the next year.
Brendan
Puh-lease!
There is no Cernier Company. CERN is the French acronym for the European Organization for Nuclear Research. Before you start worrying about catastrophes, you should become familiar with at least some of the facts. The LHC was designed to increase our understanding. We didn’t destroy the microscope when it revealed the world of bacteria.
T. Ehrlich
Wow… another reason to worry about! It’s bad enough that there is so many other things we need to worry about destroying our planet now we have some people making something that will do it for us.
Let’s make something to better our lives not possibly destroy it.
TedK
True story - I had a dream the other night that i had to save the life of the universe, which i thought was pretty weird. Then at uni the next day researching my PhD I had to look at electron beam curing of epoxy, first page that popped up was about the LHC and how it could destroy the planet (which is why im looking at this site)…. good job I dont read anything into my dreams otherwise id be shi**ing my pants now. plus i think the universe could do with a fresh start anyhow, maybe the next time around the internet wouldnt be invented and i could get on with some work…
croka
whats the point of wasting good taxpayers money (6 billion dollars) to find out somthing that the rest of the world dont give a fuck about.
also
has anyone ever fort that if this work and we dont die it will crush all those poor religious peoples hearts cos it will definatley prove that god didnt create the universe so they would have nothing to do on a sunday so forget the experiment and let them lead a life of false hope of a higher power
nudex
The back hole issue is probably not the most difficult to assess. The Hawking equations seem secure. The heat of the near mass-less black hole will result in a very short decay period making disastrous results extremely unliley. Perhaps more troubling is the possibility of a quantum vaccume. If you don’t know what this is . . . well - it isn’t pretty. Apparently, some theorists propose that near infienite energy “rests” in a sub-planc space between “things.” If we breach that . . . big bang II. Also - there is the concern about stranglets - strange particles which turn out to be more suitable for our universe than normal particles are . . . these could “re-arrange” the matrix of reality - sort of like Vonnegut’s Ice-9. Anyway - lots to worry about I suppose, but I doubt we’d be either the first of the last civilization to wipe itself out through misguided scientific endeavor. God’s will . . .
Quantum Aurelius
There’s a very interesting article about this in a consumer/lifestyle magazine I contribute to called bob in Manchester, England.
You can download the pdf of it at bobmagazine.co.uk
In the article they talk to Dr Brian Cox from Manchester University - a CERN employee and renowned particle physicist. He seems to have some of the answers to the various concerns, but only some, and is decidely unsurefooted when it comes to head on stationary collisions within the LHC.
See what you think anyway.
There’s also an opinion piece about it on my blog (oschester). Here’s what I had to say… for what it’s worth!
Risking it all
The question is; when it comes to the safety of the planet, is it worth taking even the smallest of potential risks?
The scientists at CERN, with their budgets of billions and backing of 20 governments, seem to think this is a moot point. They plan to prize open a cosmic door with their light speed collisions next April or May, no matter what fears there may be that the mother of all booby traps waits behind it.
And to be fair, you can‘t blame them.
Their colossal experiment has taken a decade to prepare, every theory they have about the foundations of the universe is reliant upon it and the staggering budget they’ve received will surely never be repeated unless they make their big money shot and consummate the deal. There is no backing out now.
What’s more, and here’s the key argument in their favour, they are the ones that are qualified to make the decision on its safety.
In fact, to be fair, they are the ONLY ones who are truly qualified – and that’s also a crucial part of the problem.
The doom-monger, or even just the neutral that’s prone to worrying about his ass disappearing down a black hole, will surely be ruminating over the possibility that they’re too close to the woods to see the trees. That their future’s are so intertwined with the LHC’s snaking 27km of tunnelling that they’ve lost their ability to think outside the tube.
Hence we see a bunker mentality emerge when anyone has the temerity to question the validity of taking a chance with an experiment on this scale - of basing activity that could impact on the entire planet on unproven theorising. The questioners become amateurs, lunatics or irrational conspiracy theorists, when in reality they’re only concerned citizens of a global community worrying about the futures of themselves and their families.
They deserve the right to express their opinions – their theories – and they deserve to get a true understanding of what’s going on before someone flicks the big switch.
If they don’t get that CERN will only have themselves to blame if a Simpsons-esque mob ends up marching on Geneva – replete with ‘down with progress’ placards – intent on smashing up the LHC with broken bottles and planks sporting rusty nails in them. And no one wants that.
What both parties should want is a more open, public discussion about the LHC.
Science is an esoteric field and therefore not inclined to popular democracy, but when we’re talking about planet shifting experiments maybe it should be (we all have an opinion on CO2 emissions and global warming after all).
We should be made to understand the processes that will take place there and the potential for calamity. CERN should be taking more time to communicate what it hopes to achieve and the dangers of not taking that step forward into the unknown. We have to discuss whether this is the right thing to do and assess whether any risk, no matter how small, is acceptable.
People tend not to get involved in fields like science because they don’t understand it and don’t want to be made to feel stupid by questioning the experts. With issues like the LHC however, I think it’s time that that pride took a back seat.
After all, I’d rather be a living, breathing idiot than a dead stupid fool. That’s one risk that’s definitely worth taking.
oschester
The Large Hadron Collider [LHC] at CERN might create numerous different particles that heretofore have only been theorized. Numerous peer-reviewed science articles have been published on each of these, and if you google on the term “LHC” and then the particular particle, you will find hundreds of such articles, including:
1) Higgs boson
2) Magnetic Monopole
3) Strangelet
4) Miniature Black Hole [aka nano black hole]
In 1987 I first theorized that colliders might create miniature black holes, and expressed those concerns to a few individuals. However, Hawking’s formula showed that such a miniature black hole, with a mass of under 10,000,000 a.m.u., would “evaporate” in about 1 E-23 seconds, and thus would not move from its point of creation to the walls of the vacuum chamber [taking about 1 E-11 seconds travelling at 0.9999c] in time to cannibalize matter and grow larger.
In 1999, I was uncertain whether Hawking radiation would work as he proposed. If not, and if a mini black hole were created, it could potentially be disastrous. I wrote a Letter to the Editor to Scientific American [July, 1999] about that issue, and they had Frank Wilczek, who later received a Nobel Prize for his work on quarks, write a response. In the response, Frank wrote that it was not a credible scenario to believe that minature black holes could be created.
Well, since then, numerous theorists have asserted to the contrary. Google on “LHC Black Hole” for a plethora of articles on how the LHC might create miniature black holes, which those theorists believe will be harmless because of their faith in Hawking’s theory of evaporation via quantum tunneling.
The idea that rare ultra-high-energy cosmic rays striking the moon [or other astronomical body] create natural miniature black holes — and therefore it is safe to do so in the laboratory — ignores one very fundamental difference.
In nature, if they are created, they are travelling at about 0.9999c relative to the planet that was struck, and would for example zip through the moon in about 0.1 seconds, very neutrino-like because of their ultra-tiny Schwartzschild radius, and high speed. They would likely not interact at all, or if they did, glom on to perhaps a quark or two, barely decreasing their transit momentum.
At the LHC, however, any such novel particle created would be relatively ‘at rest’, and be captured by Earth’s gravitational field, and would repeatedly orbit through Earth, if stable and not prone to decay. If such miniature black holes don’t rapidly evaporate and are produced in copious abundance [1/second by some theories], there is a much greater probability that they will interact and grow larger, compared to what occurs in nature.
There are a host of other problems with the “cosmic ray argument” posited by those who believe it is safe to create miniature black holes. This continuous oversight of obvious flaws in reasoning certaily should give one pause to consider what other oversights might be present in the theories they seek to test.
I am not without some experience in science.
In 1975 I discovered the tracks of a novel particle on a balloon-borne cosmic ray detector. “Evidence for Detection of a Moving Magnetic Monopole”, Price et al., Physical Review Letters, August 25, 1975, Volume 35, Number 8. A magnetic monopole was first theorized in 1931 by Paul A.M. Dirac, Proceedings of the Royal Society (London), Series A 133, 60 (1931), and again in Physics Review 74, 817 (1948). While some pundits claimed that the tracks represented a doubly-fragmenting normal nucleus, the data was so far removed from that possibility that it would have been only a one-in-one-billion chance, compared to a novel particle of unknown type. The data fit perfectly with a Dirac monopole.
While I would very much love to see whether we can create a magnetic monopole in a collider, ethically I cannot currently support such because of the risks involved.
For more information, go to: www.LHCdefense.org
Regards,
Walter L. Wagner (Dr.)
Walter L. Wagner
Time travel anyone? The possibility of chanelizing this energy into what is required to fuel time travel? (Faster than light speed energy source). Even though its only 99.9999-, the missing percentage is just around the corner. Of course having to deal with the ‘blackies’ and possible automatonic ‘wipe outs’ of earth obliterating explosive potentials, are main obstacles to deal with. Maybe there’s a way to ‘vaccum’ these? Or better, use ‘em somehow to convert them into more usable energy?
Antonio McDougall
Also, news on a possible VLHC (VERY LARGE HADRON COLLIDER)!!… Preons on the way of discovery? (Potential subcomponent of quarks and leptons)
Antonio McDougall
So? Universe gotta end some time.
Reality is overrated.
Anonymous
Clearly the uneducated and gullible are worried by exaggerated and sensational press reports. I understand this: being ignorant is not pleasant and causes anxiety.
So, allow me to address the fearful, the feeble minded and uneducated… (but only those with $100.)
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Think of the security and peace of mind that this will give you as others grub around asteroids for morsels of food, you will be living high on the hog.
Buy now, the offer is limited to 2,000,000 subscribers only and there are lots of people as thick as you around.
Zob the Invincible
Do you all really think the Aliens will let us blow up the universe? That’s a big negative, sir. Besides, I’m thinking this collider can somehow be used to collide two large buds together inside my bong, causing every atom of weed to simoultaneously explode at the speed of light and filling my lungs with the universes largest bong hit!!! Unggghhhh!!! NEED IT!!
tony muga
I’m no scientist, but it seems extremely unlikely that a black hole that small would be able to expand enough to swallow the earth. And, if the expiriment is successful, it may well bring about scientific advances the likes of which we cannot even imagine. Seems well worth the risk.
dorminay
It is absolutely fascinating that this author has such an interesting view about what is happening. Here we are trying to stop the next tsunami, stop the extinction of animals , stop the illtreatment of man towards man - and there is an intellectual exercise of no practical value ( at least for the next 1000 years ) and these chaps feel that not doing it would be a mammoth loss - a loss that is too difficult to contemplate and thus - they feel that this must go on.
Animals , stuff of that type - trees … all will be saved but the world or maybe even the universe itself will be destroyed !!! Where is Greenpeace and the other environmental folks when you need them !!!
Timothy
I do not understand how this can destroy the universe. There are many black holes, none of which has destroyed the universe.
Worse case scenario, we destroy the planet.
Les’s go for it!
Dave
your not really going to know about it when it happens anyway xD most probable result, nothing happens, on the other hand, you could kill everything! lets wait and see =)
a Bill Bailey fan
talk about their 15 seconds of fame…. why don’t we get these guy working on an astroid defense solution.
wayne tanner
aRMEGEDDON.
cREATOR
the real question is: is it worth it?
Danny Dang
THE END IS NEAR
OUR FAHTER
Guys, don’t worry. The Universe isn’t going to end. Why? A supernova packs trillions of trillions times more energy than ANY human-made particle collisions, and it will be that way for quite some time (around 800 years if you assume exponencial growth of particle accelerator energies, and that is a H U G E “if”). Since one supernova occurs ever century or so per galaxy, and since there are around 100 billion galaxies in the Universe, that means that around 30 of them happen per SECOND. The fact that we all aren’t getting destroyed every fraction of a second is assuring enough.
The article really is biased towards something bad. Don’t take it as your only source.
Someone who likes physics and stuff
A lot of people have taken the contents of this article the wrong way. The LHC is NOT designed to generate black holes, its designed to smash atoms together faster then has ever been done before. No one is sure what exactly the outcome of this may be, one theory… well, hypothesis actually, suggests that mini blackholes might be formed.
Scientists aren’t idiots (they are payed very well to not be idiots after all), if there was a significant chance that this experiment would destroy our world -or a portion of it- they would not turn it on.
Rzar
Wasn’t there some cheezy Made For TV movie about a Black Hole eating up the Gateway Arch?
Me
The problem is really serious. They found they would be making blak holes only afte spending 8 billions… They had not even calculated it! im a physicist, i know hawking’s stuff… He never got the Nobel Prize, because black hole evaporation has never been proved, moreoever it denies thermodynamics (black hole paradox) and Einstein’s relativity. It is truly a hypothesis without prove. So mankind depends on a hypotesis without prove.. Whats going at CERN is another matter: a 13 billion dollar business and 60.000 physicists, many of them working previously in atomic bombs without a job, so they just made a bigger mahine and a bigger dark bomb… and noboy cares. We BELIEVE in them… Good luck bros
homo sapiens? at risk
What a stupid article! Wonder who put it in to stumble upon..
john
The notion is without a solid basis. Collisions at much higher energies occur in nature. The Universe will be just fine.
Chiron
As much as i like science experiments, this one could be one of those costly oh oh! plus the money put forth to conduct this experiment is really unnecessary since photon collisions happen everyday from sunlight hitting earth. This is more of a case of desperation and glamor. In the end i hope it was all worth it.
alan
Well we are all still here…
ME
You all realize that the “mini black holes” will only appear if the String theory is the true basis of the universe.
Personally, I prefer the E-8 theory as the basis of everything. If the mass of the “gravity” particles match the 20 gaps in the E-8 matrix as have the known 248 particles and forces then we will see that the universe is a much more interesting place.
UGSAY
So what is the latest? This thing was supposed to go online, about a month ago. I personaly kind of expected a failure: as they couldnt actully build a black hole, and if they did I didnt think they would be able to control it.
Last time I checked the Earth was still here. Did it fail, or has it been delayed. I still find it kind of hard to believe they could start and then controll a black hole of any size? (Not to mention recreating a “miniture big bang”?!)
Mike
Did it ever occur to any of you that time may be cyclical? Perhaps this is both the beginning and the end of the universe? This is not as unlikely as it sounds.
Perhaps time is a circle rather than linear and the LHC is the device that initiates both the beginning and the end of time. Perhaps WE are the creator of the universe. A sort of self-booting self referential bubble in which the big-bang and the big-crunch are the same point in time. Has anyone else thought of this?? There is no evidence of any truly intelligent life other than ourselves, so if it takes intelligence to create a universe, why have we overlooked the possibility that we have/will create it? We are the only known intelligence in existence. I know if I were switching on the LHC, I’d say “Let there be light…”
Par
For some reason I think this would causes a Evangelion-kind effect. Everybody will loose their mind and when scientist that have been looking for god on a pietri dish are going to open their eyes and scream when they see that they have created the perfect beast…
It’s all returning to nothing…
What’s a scientific mind that doesn’t create nothing that helps the human race or targets the needs of its neighbor, its a clanging cymbal … nothing else… So much for great brilliant mind, ha,ha,ha…
Even Einstein went to become nothing except for helping the demise of people with his Atomic Energy..
G. Austin
these are the guys who still think that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion, and will one day burn out. they are like kids in a sand box, There are adults watching to see that they don’t eat a cat turd. let them play!
Chris Painter
ok every on settle down, blackholes are caused by super massive stars imploding on them selves so that all thier mass is in a single point. you see the point right? hundreds of billions of tons of matter, not a few extreamly miniscule particles. there will be no black holes created by this at all. you would need about ten sun’s worth of matter in a single point to create one and the cern colider does not have the energy to come any where colse to that.
brighter than you.
i think that there will be problems and it will work ok but not to its full potential and it will be repaired and on dec. 20, 2012 and then the next day create a black hole that will destroy the solar system
eigerbrad
Hawking’s works prove unstable, and the launch of this project will inevitably wipe out human-kind!
Chris Boyle
Hawking’s works are unstable. The launch of this project will ineveitably wipe out human-kind! All sources of gravity will be cleaned out and the earth will be a ticking and very unstable time bomb, although we should live to see the first nano second of this.
Prepare for judgement day.
Chris Boyle
I agree Chris, and reading all the books, it seems correct of the basic theory presented.
John Riding
WE R GOIN TO DYE OMGOGMOGMGOGMGOGMGKOMGGG
ONLY TOO MUR YEERS L;EFT B4 WE BLU UP
Hope
This is a recollection of events, integillent life did this for the previous big bang.
We are ‘resetting the universe’ so to speak.
We create the new big bang, the cycle of life starts again! It is fate, we are over.
Truth
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bncgh
The next message is all bull-poo don’t read it ok?
Psychic
Having been working on the project since it started and knowing myself the risks of the Large Hadron Collider I have refused continue with any more work as regards to the project. There are many other risks to this project and alot of them have not been released to the press and public. I know what the risks are but I am not authorised to tell the public. This project will cause catastrophic concequences. The minimal thing this could do is wipe the borders of france and switzerland of the map completely. Other risks include nuclear fallouts in the area generated by the power source during the discrete intervals. The biggest concerns however is black holes. CERN themselves know that black holes could largely be created and there is no person in the world that knows the true outcomes of these. I cannot understand why CERN are continuing with the project and putting so much at stake. This project has cost billions and the money could have gone to better use. Things you do not know about are not to be messed with.
Dr Robert Lodrigo
Dr Robert Lodrigo
The next message is a load of bull-poo, so ignore the crap, thankyou =]
Psychic
i love men
Psychic
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Dr Robert Lodrigo
Dr Robert Lodrigo
Thanks for clearing up Lodrigo!
Frank Jone
keep searching for a big bang and you just might find the biggest bang in your soon to end life. why do i find this funny? because the concept of the universe having a beginning and an end is another invention of the human ‘consciousness’ as a coping mechanism. why does the consciousness need a coping mechanism? that is a story for another day children
Rob the madman of the lyceum
Get a life Rob, you have used all the biggest words you could think of to make up a reasonable sounding statement (although very stupid and dumb)
Don’t post in something you do not understand you noob.
Chris is a 4 year old kid!
And good work Lodrigo.
And can’t we escape the spammers you nerds (Like Rob). Lol!
Human kind will wipe itself out soon enough, with projects going on you couldn’t even imagine! More secretive than Area 51, if the name is mentioned you die, and all traces to do with it are removed!
Peter
1f u fink 1t wil blo up tha urth, then u r dum.
1t dunt evan exist s0 shatup, u no nutheng n u pretend u du, with stoff u tri n mayke up, n 1t all sewnds stewpid s0 stop tryin to do it.
nuthing exiists wot u say, y waste ur time riting a lood of crap
Seepering
I think they should inform the public before they do this. They being keeping it kind of secret because of the black hole effect.At least let us spend all are money before they creat this black hole.
Robert Skinner
Please have a look at image #6 of the linked URL:
http://www.history.com/minisit.....i_id=56121
Spooky. . . .
Isidor Farash
Why don’t they just tell us this, I have so many things I want to do, I don’t want to die a virgin and without bungee jumping and stuff, they are spoiling lives for everyone the idiots, I might as well start living now
Harry
If the Higgs particle exists,it will create the theory of everything……tell me your not interested!! I would certainly like to know. Comparing this to the invention of the nuclear bomb is pure ignorance. This is possibly the last frontier of science and could allow us to take the largest technological step since we discovered the atom,or it could simply tell us to look elsewhere.I wish i could be there to witness this amazing experiment!!
pjlight
As mankind probes the fabric of the universe at ever greater energies, we can no doubt and will learn ever more about the fundamental laws of nature. We must however be careful, replication of the conditions of the Big Bang can pose a hazard, potentially with cosmic significance.
One possibility is that such experiments might induce a phase change based on perturbing the vacuum energy state in which our universe rests siimmilar to that which occured during symmetry breaking phase changes that lead to the seperation of the four known forces as well as that of cosmic inflation. Such would destroy the laws of physics, perhaps all of the particles and fields, and certainly all physical macroscopic structures within our universe including those of any extraterrestrial civilizations.
Such a phase change in the extreme case might leak into any other universes that are causually coupled to ours if only very weakly and destroy them as well.
In the most extreme case, the entire fractal verse or metaverse or omniverse as conjectured to exist in the theory of chaotic inflation might be at risk.
Now all of this might sound like hocus pocus but as we increase the energy level of our experiments, we must be very careful. Note that we have gone from crude bow and arrow technology to modern scientific warheads such as the nuclear W-88 stationed aboard Ohio Class SSBM boats in just 600 years. Thus our ability to produce ever more energetic reactions has tended to result in the unfortunate weaponization of the physics concepts. There is a real risk that if we somehow learn to accellerate particles to the Planck Energy of Ep = {[(h bar)(C EXP 5)/G] EXP 1/2} or even to higher energy, we might induce a runaway phase change or perhaps develope some unthinkably horrible types of weapons systems.
I am not trying to scare anybody here, but, let us explore the laws of the cosmos carefully.
Thanks;
Jim
James M. Essig
The quotes you use in this article come from a single software engineer working on the LHC, not a physicist.
While the LHC is the most complex machine ever built by humans, do you really believe that the forces this machine creates are not created elsewhere in the universe at much higher energy levels?
LHC has been in design and development for something like 20 years and worked on by scientists all over the world. The unbiased discussions have already taken place.
This article presents the spread of bad science at its worst. Your title is meant to alarm or fascinate. I wonder what the response would be if you actually asked some of the other hundreds of scientists about this. Instead, too lazy to do any actual work, you pick up a quote that has been floating around the Internet and try to build an article around it.
Is your agenda to simply attract people to your site or to educate?
Sacryd
this article is horribly biased. the chances of black holes even being created is 99.999%, and even then, chances are it’d dissipate almost immediately. I’m honestly psyched about this advance in physics. this experiment could lead to all kinds of new technoledgies (oh wait, it already has), or at the very minimum a far better understanding of the universe around us. CERN is doing something amazing for science.
karr
Is is always possible that the particular types of particle interactions produced may be much more important to consider in terms of any danger posed by the accelerator or future accellerators as opposed to the energy levels. Add the unusually high energy levels of the accellerator or future planned machines with novel types of specially tailored particle species interaction and/or production and the risk may still present itself.
Super high energy particle reactions in nature may have their effects on their immediate environment cloaked, blocked, or otherwise washed out such as in the extreme gravity environments of blackholes, nuetron stars or in the extreme macroscopically spatially extended super dense environments within nuetron stars, blackholes, white dwarfs and in the core collapse of typical supernova.
Were a cosmic phase change started and not immediately cloaked, it might develope into an unstopable event that would literally destroy everything physical.
James M. Essig
black holes could be created at the LHC.
But whether they could swallow the earth
is not clear.let us hope hawking’s theory is correct and the black holes evaporate away as soon as they are formed.
It appears ridiculous that CERN depends on an untested theory for the survival of this planet.
rajeesh
My Question is, Who gives these people the right to jeopardize the world and possibly more to satisfy their curiosity? It does not make sense to me to try something that is so theoretical to find out origins of what ever, when it may in fact bring about our destruction.
Steve Vermillion
If CERN has *any* worries about creating a black hole and destroying all life on this planet, then they should carefully read all the comments above to realize that Yes, They Must All Die.
David
Is there a possibility that LHC can create black-hole material? The answer is definitely yes. There are a number of papers that have printed on this subject. There are even preexisting organizations fighting for a postponement of this project so that new concerns can be addressed: risk-evaluation-forum.org, LHCdefence.org, and LifeBoat. Papers that support this conclusion are listed on the first two sites…and there was also an article written in Nature, CERN to spew black holes, October 2, 2001.
If LHC is “successful” in generating man’s first synthetic black-hole material, is there a plan to reverse any black-hole material formed? No. The current hope by proponents of LHC is that nothing will happen that is dangerous. Is this caviler wishful thinking or equation-based prudence? Depends on who you ask—do CERN scientists have a vested interest in having the public lulled into a false sense of safety?–yeah. What about the so-called “alarmists?” What hidden agendas to the persons asking important safety concerns have? CERN wishes to protect its $6,800,000,000 European tax-dollar investment, fat paychecks, and lavish living, while those asking the questions only wish to protect their families, friends, and environment.
Is there a model that suggests that LHC black-hole creations will not disappear and continue to voraciously eat? Yes, there is a new model that is being advanced that suggests that the basis of the safety assurance arguments is flawed. Debate is fierce of the Scientific American blog being used to advance discussion: http://science-community.sciam...../300005039 All are welcome, though it is advised to read the model before entering in discussion.
LHC is slated to start up this May. That is only a few more days to take action…assuming they are successful on their first try. Chances are they will not be “successful” on the first try. Perhaps this machine will not be run at full strength right away. There is still hope that public concern could derail the project and allow for all possible safety risks fully explored.
Hasan'uddin
This dialogue is typical of many similar “Reader’s Digest” level blogs posted by people with little or no understanding of what they speak. Pure science for the Reader’s Digest people: the physical make up of the Universe is so tough and tenacious that it is UNLIKELY that mankind will EVER have the capacity to affect more than a microscopic flicker upon the energy and matter that makes up the totality of the Universe. To smash a few particles in a smasher on Earth doesn’t even begin to find the energy to cause a tickle in the totality of existence. To suggest the destruction of the Universe through anything Earth built is to believe that your child’s Teddy Bear can shut down the Sun itself.
Osku
The possibility of destroying the universe need not entail producing cosmically large quantities of energy. A super intense particle interaction with extremely relativistic particles of just the right type might be all that is necessary to perturb any quantum vacuum state in which the universe subsists to result in a runaway phase change that could race throughout the universe and into other universe such as those that supposedly exist in the theory of chaotic inflation. A small miniscule amount of super concentrated energy might be far more capable of doing this than say any form of supernova explosion. Once an uncloaked phase change as such started and grew to macroscopic levels, there would be no way to contain it, not even extraterestrial beings could contain it. It just so happens that reports of first hand accounts of alien abductions are repleat with reports of statements made by the extraterrestrial that mankinds indescrimate research and weoponization of nuclear physics and particle physics is of great concern to them and even threatens the entire universe.
Rest assure, there are several promenant physicists who are somewhat concerned about the prospects of building ever higher energy particle accellerators for similar reasons. I do not think we pose much danger to the universe with the LHC, but as we build even more capable and powerful machines, I think we had better be very careful about the types of experiences we perform and what are our ultimate intentions for such.
I am somewhat haunted by the Biiblical prophecy, such that to paraphrase the Bible, “The entire Heavens will be desolved by fire and the Earth will burn up by the elements therein” The word desolved here has a translated meaning akin to total annihilation or ablissimation. It is interesting that this same prophecy is located in sections of the Bible dealing with the very end of time at whcih the mythical Battle of Armeggedon will take place. We had better be careful in the comming decades, centuries, or millenia of what we create, because the Star Wars Trillogy and the Death Star just might end up being a walk in the park on a sunny day in comparison.
Regards;
Jim
James M. Essig
Someguy is right, listen to him hes the one with the brains here
STRAIGHT "A"
Hi Folks;
We do not know for sure that blackholes decay by Hawking Radiation. Hawking’s theory has not been experimentally verified. So at least some caution is necessary to rule out the possibility of non-decaying blackholes.
Black hole formation is the least of our potential worries here.
The theory of Chaotic Inflation as well as most other Big Bang models holds that the universe currently rests in equilibrium within a socalled vacuum state minimum. Perturb the minimum to much even at a tiny region in space and a phase change may occur coinciding with the tunneling of the universe or a portion thereof out of the metastable minimum resulting in a run away phase change that as I mentioned above might literally destroy the entire Heavens and the Earth.
The possibility of such anthropocentrically induced phase changes is considered to pose some riisk as mankind performs ever more energetic particle colllisions. In fact, a limited version of such a risk was deemed serious enough for certain planned experiments within the U.S. that the experiments were ordered to be delayed in order to asertain that the Earth and perhaps the universe would not be converted into so-called stange matter based on strange quarks.
If the unthinkable would happen, that is, should mankind ever develope particle experiments so energetic or some exotic type of nuclear weapons that would produce just one instance of a particle interaction that was energetic enough and/or of just the right type, we might literally have the end of the entire cosmos or onmiverse to deal with.
Rest assure, although the risk I believe is minimal with the LHC, ever more powerful future machines pose a risk which cannot and should not be dismissed as entirely baseless.
As someone trained in physics who has also taken a mild curiosity within the paranormal and so-called UFO abduction phenomenon, with an open mind, I am keenly aware of the reports by abductees stating that the ETs are afraid of our nuclear weapons technology and research into subatomic particle physics. One well documented case holds that some person saw a UFO and only remembers afterward that a message was inscribed on his hand to the effect “Nuclear experiments for war like purposes shall be definately haulted. The equilibrium of the entire univese is threatened. We will remain vigilant and ready to interfere.”
Now I am not saying we should halt nuclear weapons research or research into particle physics, because I am a strong believer that nuclear deterence has worked and that even if by some off chance these ET abductions and reports are true, the ETs have no business interfering with our scientific progress and poliitical affairs. But by the same token, we must regardless, be careful of what we produce in our particle accellerators.
I personally believe in Sacred Scripture and believe accordingly that the “Entire Heavens will be desolved by fire and the Earth will burn up by the elements therein.” It is only a matter of time. Let us make sure if at all possible that we are not the ones who cause such.
I am also open minded to the possibility of near death out of body experiences in which people universally claim to float out of their body in some sort of energy body like form that feel just like a normal body in terms of geometry and kinesthetic somatic sense. If such energy bodies exists within the multidimensionality of the multiverse or cosmos, a destruction of the universal equalibrium might anniihilate these spirit bodies as well. The space in which they exist, are extended into, or for which they are defined as having bodlily form or geometric shape could be shreaded out of existence by the phase change and at worst, the very integrity of the order of cause and effect could be utterly scrambled into chaotic ablissimation and annihilation destroying all beings contained within.
The LHC will likely not produce high enough energies to cause a runaway phase change, but as I said above, other more powerful machines might. In some way, we are all responsible for the well being of each other, and this resposibility holds for every creature that was ever created, on Earth and in the Heavens. It is my deeply felt personal opinion that at the end of time, we will all, every single creature, Angels, Saints, The human scientists and weaponers on Earth, the ETs, the damned and the fallen angels will have to give an account before the eternal Father and the Holy Trinity as to how we respected the sanctity of life.
Regards;
Jim
James M. Essig
All americans are stupid.DIE AMERICANS. I hate you,seriously look at these comments ! Damn its all about religions,gods,fear,and stuff GO SHOUT YOUR SELF AMERICA.I AM A CANADIAN-FRANCAIS AND I HATE YOU ALL! FUCK THE USA
olivier
re the last paragraph… how could not doing the experiment have worse consequences than doing the experiment if it destroys the universe? what are you smoking??
jim vach
bad idea, we shouldnt be messing around with the fabric of existence.
j
geez olivier….you need to relax a little my friend. Go have a burger and some french fries..enjoy your life….but in the off chance that this CERN project goes to hell in a handbasket, I’m going to find you in the afterlife and kick 100% of your ass.
Groover
Meanwhile while man is trying to undertsand so badly were he came from and how the universe was created the entire planet is becoming polluted with carbon and space trash and the only thing this monster will do is use large amounts of energy and aid in the destruction of the planet at a accelrated rate.Its not our place to understand how GOD created our universe and if we try to recreate the big bang here on earth we might just create the big emplosion.They really ned to think harder about this before they throw the switch and like homer siimpson would say and alot of other idiots WOOPS their goes the world ! Spend the money on that collider to help create clean burning power plants and alternative energy sources so we can tell the arabs with their greasy prehistoric dinosaur fuel to go shove it up their_____.Those people have more money than their is sand crystals in the dessert.Every Human beings time ends for them and why start something that want give others a chance to experiance life.
Ace
I think that even though it could change the way we live by 1000000 percent better it could kill everyone and everything. It will evaporate the earth. So I’m begging all the scientist please don’t do the project.
Rachel W.
Hawking radiation is a theory, Steven Hawking has changed his opinions in the past. If he is wrong on this, and it produces the black holes — which everybody agrees is a valid possibility, any of those black holes that go down will go down to the Earths core (they’re heavy), and continue to grow surrounded by the pressure and mass of the Earth. Even if the chances of that happening are less than a plane crashing, how ethiical is it to put EVERYBODY and all life on that plane? The President and vice-President fly separately for a reason.
Wants a second opinion
I’m all for the advancement of the human race through science and experimentation… But wouldn’t it make sense to prove or disprove the existence of Hawking Radiation and Strange matter hypothesis prior to bringing this thing online…
jason
On the lighter side, some teenage kid is going to be lighting a fart at the exact same moment the CERN experiment smashes particals together. “Your going to get it now Beaver….”
Evil Roy Slade
What utter hubris to think that anything our imperfect little species hobbles together could possibly bring down the Universe, the mind/creation of the Super being we call God.
Gashmesh of Archosanctum
Hi Folks;
I believe that the universe, the cosmos, the multiverse, Heavan or what have you is not GOD. GOD created all of the above and maintains it in existence with his all sustaining powerful right arm.
That the human race may be able to bring down the whole cosmos if we are not careful is not in contradiction with the principles of Sacred Scripture. The rise from the state of mortal sin by one of us lowly humans is a far greater mircale that the creation of the entire natural cosmos, both physical and spiritual.
In a world gone astray with lack of respect for human life, perhaps even a cosmos gone astray given the existence of vast numbers of fallen spirits and God knows what else, God might just allow Homer to through the switch so that, speaking of hubris, no creature will be able to boast before the throne of God.
I doubt that the LHC will produce high enough energies to pose a problem, however more powerful future machines might. We should build these machines but study very carefully the types and energy levels of the particle interactions we produce. Advancement of science is Good, but we must proceed with caution now.
Regards;
Jim
James M. Essig
why do we want to learn about the universe anyways, it doesn’t affect out everyday life’s why should we kill ourselves doing research
yomomma
OK, so they think that they can make little black holes, and that these little black holes may behave in thus-and-such a manner.
A few decades back, some of them thought that smashing an atom, in the first atomic explosion, would cause a chain reaction that woudl destroy the solar system, galaxy or universe (luckily they were wrong), but none of them really understood about the radiation spread, until much later (a little unlucky, huh?).
They won’t know exactly how it will turn up, until they do it, right? Otherwise, what is the point in doing it and studying the reams of data that come out- they just don’t know, right now.
Hell, no one understood the details of the effects of pressure on oxygen consumption and processing, or what exactly caused the formation of nitrogen bubbles in bone (the bends), or how to effectively make decompression stops etc., until Cousteau came along and started experimenting with SCUBA diving.
We just don’t know exactly what the collisions will produce, until it is done- the main scientist in the article admits that he will have to conclude that he ‘got it wrong’ if the data come up different than his best prediction.
Welcome to life, we think we know, then we change our minds, based on new ideas and new understanding. So no, this is not “safe.”
Remember lead paint, spontaneous generation, the earth is flat? Science only knows what it “knows”. Anyone whose been to school, more than ten years ago will remember all of the information that has been disproved since then. God help us (after all, we are human, so I don’t think we even understand the analogous bible passages about the end of this stage of existence well enough to rule out that we bring it about, ourselves).
SkipG
Seriously guys?? no body advances by being a pussy. maybe this is where man kind ends. if so i led a good life. i have no regrets. let them have their mini big bang. if any one has a better way for these physicists to learn about our universe i am sure they would listen. if this works i am certain that the entire world will breath a collective sigh of relief but if it DOESN’T work…..well, we’ll never know will we?
man kind has always been too curious to let something like sever repercussions stop us. this is something that will be done either now or a hundred years in the future but either way some one is going to step up and flip the switch with nothing but theories and hypothesis to go off of. and if it doesn’t work all of every one can rest…kind of…easier knowing that he was the first to die.
jeremy
It won’t be long now….
http://lhc-machine-outreach.we.....-outreach/
Wayne
i say go ahead and do it they might find a wormhole or figure out a way to travel to far off places unimaginable and find a more developed or primitive beings. There are more stars in the universe than there r grains of sand on are planet, and to grab a handful of sand and to say only one of them grains of sand that is in your hand is capable of holding life u must have been brainwashed
guess who
“equally”
pretty liberal use of that word by Mike, eh?
william
Hi Folks;
I am not at all opposed to fundamental research into the structure of matter and the cosmos and am not necessarily apposed to the weaponization of such knowlegde if such weapons can provide a good deterence against rouge states and other hostile regimes.
I am also not apposed to probing physics at ever higher energies in terms of particle accellerator experiments. I personally think the resumption of research at the upgraded LHC is really cool and will no doubt give us lots more physics to play with.
I am not even going to say that we should not aim for the Planck Energy level in particle experiments. Eplanck = 1.956 × 10 EXP 9 Joules = 1.22 × 10 EXP 19 GeV. If it proves possible to go even higher than the Planck energy, I am not apposed to that either.
I only urge thoughtful caution in the design of particle experiments, a caution that involves not only absolute energy levels of the experimental collisions, but also in the specific types of interactions produced.
I still think the possibility of a chain reaction utilizing ordinary nuclear fusion processess within the Earth’s Oceans is possible. Even though nuclear weapons have been detonated under water before to study their underwater blast effects, these devices were not the most mass specific energy dense devices possible and thus higher bomb temperatures and pressures can be achieved even with spherically symmetrical non-concentrated blasts.
So called theoretical shaped charged nuclear devices which might be able to concentrate nuclear reaction energy by a million times over that of a typical spherically symmetric blast just might produce the requisite temperatures and associated pressures to cause the detonation of an underwater device as such to produce a fusion wavefront that would race throughout the entire oceanic water on Earth in less than 1 second thus effectively producing a nuclear bomb with the mass of the Earths oceans at about 10 EXP 18 metric tons of mass with a yield of about 2 x 10 EXP 26 tons of TNT. This would be enough energy to completely vaporize 50,000 planets with the same mineral makeup and mass of the Earth that were frozen cold to the core.
Let us continue to experiment and have fun while doing such, but let us be careful as well.
Regards;
Jim
James M. Essig
It is insane to try an experiment like this.
mike
Big deal, everyone!
I’m all for it. If it doesn’t destroy us all, maybe we can harness the energy and avoid being dependent on those countries that just happen to have oil under their soil.
So risk death or pay $4.00 at the pump. I say the risk is worth it. So is cheating with the neighbor’s wife, if she is a babe. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Looks like we have a bunch of whiny people that think their life is worth something. I say full speed ahead and ignore the icebergs!
Samuel
In the supposed legend of Atlantis they were far more advanced than the rest of the world and somehow unleashed a force that caused their destruction. I wonder if they had colliders. I hope these guys know what they are doing. If we all get sucked up ” uh oh ” aint’ quite gonna cut it.
dan
The upper portion of Europe will be changed as in the twinkling of an eye. (EDGAR CAYCE)
Times UP!
prepare for post-firing, this will be a major event.
th
This is absolutely crazy!! If there is a chance that it destroys our world than that’s unfair no one should die because of this!!! I strongly disagree
dont EVEN EVER THINK ABOUT DOING THIS AGAIN
liz
Shouldn’t this be decided by a world council, and not the Swiss-French, or even the science community..?
One would think to err on the side of caution when dealing with a potential destruction of the world… Even if only a .0000000001% chance… You only get the one mistake, and poof… The earth is gone.
Seriously irresponsible.
The only benifit that would value us now from this experiment would be to find an unlimited energy source, but if that costs us our planet, it’s a kind-a mute point… dont you think?
Who's getting paid?
it is man’s intuitive nature, to find out why and how things work. if done properly this will answer an abundance of questions, it won’t be. the probability of error is to great for it to be a success. talk to your congressmen/senators and international organizations. it must be stopped!
gary brown
I am opposed to this Hadron Super Collider because in the event of a universal disaster women and minorities will be hurt the worst.
Frigo
It’s 2008. I think the universe is fine. But, hey, I’m not a science.
Jie
Oh come on! If any black hole swallows anything, it’ll swallow Europe at the most. I wont be there, so … no problems really.
I shall miss French bread and Swiss chocolate… (T_T) oh.. i think thats a tear in my eye *sniffle*
jou
should i avoid paying my visa?
Reecey
To the guy who keeps blaming everything on ‘Americans’.
1. Religions and churches are not an invention of the USA. They came from the Middle East, Asia, and Europe.
2. On physics and atomic studies: Again, the USA were mere babies on the topic. Most of the world’s leading scientists were rounded up by the Reich and forced at gunpoint to develop weapons. A few ‘escaped’ to the USA to AVOID putting dooms day weapons in the hands of a mad man. Some others ‘escaped’ in the opposite direction to serve the USSR, again for the same reasons, under similar circumstances.
The history repeats itself over and over again. The rest of the world creates amazing powers and abuses them….people FLEE to the USA in fear of their very life. At the end of the WAR no matter who started it, people like this guy always conclude that it’s the USA causing all the problems.
If the USA is so friggin, EVIL…then stop chasing all your best and brightest people over here with their ‘evil religions and sciences’. Your loss, our gain!
On CERN…
No one is going to be making black holes if they don’t learn how to build a collider in the first place. Even if the ‘big questions’ are not answered, the project will proove a major treasure trove for the world in answering smaller questions. Much will be learned, and many folks will have good jobs. The nations hosting this project will see all sorts of economic, social, and cultural benifits. Yes, there will even be ecological and geological lessons learned in the construction of this monster. IF the thing happens to work as well as scientests hope….that’s simply icing on the cake.
There were billions of people all over the world who felt sending men in orbit was a waste of money. Today we’re sending these messages around the globe with orbital satellites. Enough said…..
By the time a collider is actually capable of making ‘black holes’…….it stands to reason that experiments would be conducted in very small stages. Cautions will be taken, and data will be used to figure risks and benifits for the next ‘possible stage’.
Anyone that believes the only benifit of this project is simply for one experiment to proove of disproove Hawking theory is not thinking very much. That is only ‘one possible’ benifit out of zillions. That’s like being foolish enough to believe that the only thing a 3 billion dollar offshore oil platform does is drill oil. Duuuu….
Credo
The US dont need to be kept in check, further nobody has the ability to do such a thing. Consider the privately owned weapons here then consider the technology and its military. yeah right. bring it on lol.. this is why we control everything.
The US
Guys, we allready use partical accelerator’s everyday. They don’t hurt us. With this new even bigger accelerator we’re not gonna harm ourselves either. Black holes DO decay. They give of radiation among other things. The chamber the collisions happen in are gonna be vacuum sealed anyway. there will be no other particles for it to absorb. Besides, the energy produced in these colisions are gonna be nothing compared to the amounts of energy given off when comsic rays’particles bombard our atmosphere everyday. Were not even sure that it WILL creat a black whole. Read a physics book. They are not creating an H bomb either. They arent using hydrogen atoms. They are using protons. Look at the mass of a proton. If you use E=Mc^2, you would see that there is not nearly enough energy in the mass of a proton to creat an explosion. Besides that, you cant start a chain reaction either fusion or fission from coliding two particles. you need very controlled conditions of heat and pressure. Learn to read a physics book.
Anon
the cosmic boogeyman is finally gonna jump out an say what da fuck ya be messin wit me bitches
dutch hercules
What i heard is that they are trying to create a black hole so they can know now to destroy it, our galaxy is full of black holes, if they can create a black hole then the prediction of “hawking radiation” works then we just found a way to destroy it…a HUGE discovery, if it goes wrong then it will take a while for our world to sink into the hole..its a huge risk and im willing to let it happen
Michelle
But what if the make a mini big bang and it engulfs the whole universewith it because it is a second universe within our own and also it will keep expanding.
aniomklasdheru
Suggest you all watch the BBc Horizon program the 6 billion Dollar Experiment if you havn’t yet done so and get it from the horses mouth.
Higgs Boson
They’ll be alright as long as they maintain at least a 98% vacume in the collision chamber. The resulting plasma will be suffiicient to cause the spontaneous fissioning of all non-fissionable matter, resulting in a subnuclear chain reaction.
Boom, there goes the solar system. Luckly, the space between stars is large enough to isolate them from the incompetence of those who live on others.
Tom
Of all the things that could possibly happen with experiments of this magnitude, miniature black holes are of no concern. A black hole’s strength lies in it’s mass, and the most devastating of these are created by stars several million times the mass of our sun. Subatomic particles simply lack the mass to cause such devastation. It is the gravity of a black hole that so alters time and space, and gravity requires mass. Even though a tremendous amount of radiation emanates from these colossal bodies, it is the extreme gravity phenomena that keeps these forces within the even horizon. Even if you were to make a case based upon the big bang, and the subatomic particles thought to be the cause, the current theory concludes a particle of infinite mass brought our universe into being. Considering the mass of the particles used in collider experiments, we cannot possibly approach the mass and energy consistent to a pre-big bang state. Even the degree of chance associated with Heisenberg’s principle of Uncertainty cannot account for an apocalyptic miscalculation of mass leading to such destruction. Simply put: there isn’t enough stuff in a miniature black hole to cause our planet to collapse into the abyss. It is the Quantum effects however, the actions of the tiniest particles, that should be the focus of our attention simply because the actions of the massive heavenly bodies in no way relate to the actions of the subatomically small; or at least, not in a complete picture taking all forces into account…..yet.
J
I don’t understand how some of you make a leap from the super collider to aliens, crop circles, bigfoot, nessie, etc. What you are essentially doing is taking all of the things you say and flushing them down the toilet of superstition. Why bother taking the time to mention your training and understanding simply to banish your credibility to the realm of ghosts and dragons? A belief in the unknown is one thing, and something I believe we should all possess, but to report your belief as fact supporting your claims falls well within the realm of absurdity.
J
Look if this helps us make a better ipod/video game console it is worth the risk. lol
These scientists have thought about all the consequences, no one is going to throw that much money at something that may destroy the world, our minds cant understand what this is all about these scientists are freaks, in the same way that some professional sportsmen are freaks(a good way). Leave it to them.
Brett
i,am sure the dark side will use this: and brother man it ain,t good let,s not forget who hates who here
mike
IS EVERYONE IN THE HUMAN RACE CRAZY?!?!?!?!?!?!?! THIS COULD DESTROY EARTH AND YOU ARE WILLLING TO TAKE THAT RISK?!??!?! ARE YOU NUTS? BEING SUCKED UP IN A BLACK HOLE IS NOT HOW I WANT TO DIE. I DONT CARE WHAT WONT FIGURE OUT BY NOT DOING THIS I JUST WANNA LIVE. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WITHOUT FEAR! I HATE THIS IDEA!
wake up call
Do these people know Murphy’s Law “anything that might happen will happen.” that says alot. But it cant be stopped now, because they started in may it is now june first. Im hopping there right.
wake up call (again sorry if you are offended by any of the post i was just scared for my life!)
Didn’t Mary Shelley say something about Man trying to play God in her “Frankenstein” story?
John Z.
Their escuse is for killing us all is ………… They wanna figure stuff out! Theres only a 1% chance of killing us all. ( said sarcasticly) Also they spent millions on this, something that could kill us all in stead of spending it of finding a cure cancer. Every one who works for this is a f’n retard! f*** u. you should be the first to die. Why would anyone in the world think of doing this? a holes.
hi
OMG ARE YOU GUYS F’N STUPID? Me i agree with u. i would take a freaking baseball hat to your heads for f***ing up with my life. That mechine is so f***ing retarded. why would u risk so many people jut for your stupid curiosties? I’m about to f***ing kill u to stop u. ( jk no really but i am really mad!) Really dont do this. God can only escuse us from so many stupid mistakes! everyone is saying our lives our in the hands of god but really if we didnt turn of this f***ing mechine our lives wouldnt be in danger. i think everyone who takes part in buliding mechine is a mother f***er. they should go to h***.
dkgjhdl;hg
oh thanks guys cause the first thing on my to do list is get sucked up by a black hole.NOT this is crazy! STOP IT NOW! PLEASE!
xvblkfhgbf
Dan Brown included the supercollider a lot in his book Angels and Demons. Never thought the experiment would go ahead tho.
Supposedly it has been delayed until mid july 2008, as if the world doesn’t have enough worries as it is. The scientific knowledge will be undoubtedly a great help however.
Josh Jones
After reading the amount of comments above, I cant believe that there are so many people reading articles about science that can believe anything shown to them.
Minature black holes created by protons (if thats what even happens), would only be able to absorb electrons and other sub-atomic particles, which would not destroy the world.
I want to see what happens if they can smash two charged particles at 99.999999% the speed of light, because I dont believe it will destroy the world.
Eric
dont do this its insane . plz dont f***ing mess with my life.
ygyhfghf
omg we r all going to die. I really hope your right josh jones .
joe brown
I’M NOT A RELIGOUS MAN BUT I HAVE READ A NUMBER OF ANCIENT TEXTS. IN THE WRITINGS OF REVELATIONS THAT WAS PUT IN THE BOOK THEY CALL THE BIBLE, THERE IS A REFERENCE TO A PROPHECY THAT A KEY WOULD BE GIVEN TO MAN TO UNLOCK THE GATES TO THE ABISS.WHERE ALL SORTS OF UNLOVELY CREATURES RESIDE. KNOWING A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY CHANGE CAN PUT US INTO ANOTHER REALM. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THIS COLLIDER OPENING THE DOOR TO THIS REALM MAN WAS FORWARNED ABOUT?
Larry Turner
Check that
http://gaudwin.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!75D2857795790980!236.entry
A Gaudwin
Earth as well as every other star and planet is permanently exposed to cosmic radiation with energies far beyond those the LHC will be able to produce. The fact that they all still exist proves the doomsday scenario described in the text wrong.
Alex
These scientists agree they are trying to re-create conditions that haven’t existed since all matter in the universe was created; supposedly during the big bang. They agree they don’t know what will happen.
The reason all protons in the universe are the same as all other protons on the other side of the universe, is alledgedly because of this spontaneuos elementary particle creation event. They hope to re-create this event. They hope to re-start the big bang!
I can’t claim to know the outcome either. But I can say for sure that these scientists are the arrogant, pompus ellite who, by their very nature, believe that they can do no wrong.
randell
lol comedy
har
I like Hardon colliders. I bought one from a sex shop once. It will destroy uranus but not the whole universe.
Your asshole
GOD IS THE UNIVERSE
illuminated
Was wondering what the hell made us going into a time loop, I recall this beeing the second time around we are in this shit again.
There are no paradoxes in time travel if everything comes along to the state it was at the specific time. Its just a rewind of a video.
The good thing is that you could get extremely rich. That is if you figure out a device that could store specific information that survives time travel.
fed3r
I suggest that some of you read Hawkin’s “The Theory of Everything”… the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the theory of General Relativity, together would negate the possibility of a singularity being created and growing, thus said, if one was created it would indeed evaporate, quickly, due to a lack of temperature. Black holes are actually quite hot, according to the theory, we still haven’t been able to prove they exist, except mathamatically. The fact that a black hole would not grow in this SSCs is NOT due to its lack of mass however, as a mere teaspoon of neutronian matter can weigh thousands of millions of tons.
People don’t read anymore…..do the expriments. If i am wrong, i will appologize..I feel the questions it may answer are far more than the threat it poses. We could find new cheap ways of generating power and SAVE our planet, increase our range in teh universe, who knows!
KnightBird
You want some guark-gluon plasma?…I’LL GIVE YOU GUARK-GLUON PLASMA!!!
Sherot
Hey Dave #134…The black holes that we know of are 100s of millions of light years away, not 100 meters below the surface of the planet!! DAH!!
Stick to your video games dude!
Brian
I work for altitude, which is basicly the RAF, and I have been told to warn people not to panic. These guys are experts. The black holes will vaporise before they can do any reall damage
tom
Its all Einstein’s fault… wacky haired german bastard!!
scientist
Look at it like this: If we do manage to destroy the entire universe we won’t actually know that we’ve destroyed the entire universe…
Moschops
“Anonymous
41. September 18th, 2006 04:28
Eh.. punch of retards. Light is a stream of protons, and always travels around the speed of the light. Since there is nearly unlimited sources of light in the universe, there is nearly unlimited amouth of protons colliding against each other at the speed of the light in unlimitedly short amouth of time. Learn physics.. oh, and black holes do decay, check mr. Hawking’s equations of the matter. ”
No, light is made up of PHOTONS not PROTONS you fucking retard, so what you have said is completely WRONG.
Also, Hawking Radiation is a THEORY. Do you understand the difference between THEORY and FACT?? Do you? Hmm?
Dick head.
Bored Guy
where EXACTLY do black hole go when they decay?…and why don’t they brush more often?…proper hygine prevents decay…duh
ekim ercus
okay…let’s say i want to watch the event:”universe being destroyed”…just where would I stand/sit to see it happen…could I invite others to watch it with me?…would we need to be in a “theatre” in another universe?…
ekim ercus
okay…EXACTLY where do black holes go when they decay?…and why aren’t there any dentists for black holes…why dont they brush more often?…ever’body knows that brushing helps prevent decay…duh…stupid black holes…probably got cavaties too…need filling…gonna overload the health care system if you create too many of these guys…yikes
ekim ercus
Alright - that did it! I’m leavin’ this here universe. Gonna find me a universe that has rules against letting itself be destroyed by its own inhabitants! Looks like this universe woulda thought about that before it decided to have a BigBang in the first place!
chek megone
Just my luck, my bankrupsy will end the same month they crank up this sucker
joe
Scientists are so infantile in their analytical thinking. To figure out how things (life, the universe and everything) work they reasoned that they’d smash it to pieces. Goo goo, gaa gaa! But lets not forget, its just them Europeans, and we all know they can’t do anything that would hurt this little blue marble. For that you need Americans!
Davis Imperatore
Look…you have it all wrong folks…it has already happened and yes there was a tear in the space time continuum…and we have been in this time paradox for going on 7000 years…oh and be leave me when they do it again in a couple of months…it will all start again. But we just won’t know it. till we get here again.
see ya in 7000 years
Reebl
I have been trying to destroy the universe for ages! Finally!
Strange Love
Darn the torpedos and full steam ahead. Finally someone not afraid to push the boundrys of science. Without chang someting sleeps inside of us. And the future aint what it used to be…
Wayne H.
Would’nt this exsperiment be better suited for space ? What if there is a big bang ? The only way to top the genius decision of doing this on earth is if they did it in dec. 2012 !
Texassnell
Its one thing to put your own life in danger for a experiment but to put all the live of the entire world perhaps the universe is immoral.
doug
When they crank this syper collider up ,it can have a reverse polairity of our Earth’s magnetic polarity axis and the core of the earth the core is solid ,not liquid as many people think. this can have an affect as an EMD also.
Frank Clark
CHUCK NORRIS SAVE US!!!!!!!
Mynameis"concerned"
Finally we have somewhere to put all our garbage. If we play it right we might just turn the universe insideout and start over. absolute power negates absolutley
Jay Brown
… I just heard about this form my dad, I DO NOT WANT TO DIE, IM 16!
god i hope this stops =(
I got plans for my life you stupid swedes!!!
why would you want to do this anyway? to find black holes? who cares why elemental particles have mass? does it really matter? no
get a girlfriend, go have fun with your life, we are fine the way we are, we dont need anymore improvements(besides food and economy and such, but this wouldnt help either)
Jake
i, myself, do not believe that this machine could end the whole wide world.. because biblically, its not what GOD said… haha..
jObbie
Fuck scientists, always trying to a damn buck. Greedy bastards.
Scum of the world
1. Us govenrment
2. Media
3. Scientists
4. Communists
5. Terrorists
(I think its time you pick the bible and find the real answers….)
ONe in a billion
This supercollider must not be started. People listen to me….I did not know about this machine, but I had a dream about it almost one year ago. I am not a scientist so I cannot explain any of this in technical terms, but in my dream, there was such a machine and it opened holes in what is presently our reality…terrible things came forth out of it, and we could not control them. They will seek to destroy mankind. Now that I know this machine actually exists, my heart weighs heavy because I know the dreams were a warning. No man has the right to create and use such a machine without full disclosure to the world community and their overall agreement. This risk is unknowable and perhaps irreversible. I can tell you that according to my dream, there will be horrible consequences. Please do not do this.
Patricia
I don’t really get it - it seems most in favor say nothing will go wrong, this / that can’t / won’t happen, this is not the nature of… ummm, so if you so understand the nature of matter, then what is the experiment for? are they not looking for the unknown?
hf
Well I’m curious to see what happens, why not we are destroying the world anyways. So Im 100% with this experiment, besides the worse thing that can happen is what??? 1 more thing can black holes exist with oxygen?There is no oxygen in space. Thats where they do exist.
82ndAirBorne
Yeah, lets gamble on destroying earth in the name of science and the Nobel Peace Prize !!
Dect
I have the answer…it is so simple, I am just amazed that these nuclear physicists havent thought of it. I was in Wal-Mart yesterday, and saw a *universal hole plug* for $2.99. It says that is is guaranteed to plug all holes (I think that it is meant for thermoses, but a guarantee is a guarantee)…
IF YOU ARE READING THIS, CERN SCIENTISTS, GET YOUR ASS(es) DOWN TO WAL-MART AND PICK ONE OF THESE BABIES UP. If the worst happens and a hole opens in the universe, just slip in the aptly-named *universal hole plug* and flip the lever as described on the packaging. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Wally Mart Can Save The World
so a few black holes don’t disolve, and by Dec. of 2012 it’s all over
andy
Well, mabey just mabey, the oil companys can’t make money off this.
kitkats
At one time in history , we were going against god and nature by exploring a new power .A power greater than mankind”s ability to control .As I continued to read ,I thought it was the atomic bomb . NO ,indeed it was the gas motor……To boldly go where no man has gone before……
MANN
Patricia , that was the movie “The Mist” ! Start turning of the TV before you go to bed sweety! It is pretty lucky for us that the “mian’s” were wrong about the date though , huh ?
Texassnell
there is no danger at all. hawking radiation shows that micro black holes last on the order of seconds and the idea that we could destroy the universe is both sadly narcissistic and uneducated. black holes don’t grow for all you worried people out there and to be honest i seriously doubt the LHC has enough power to even come close to generating a quantum mechanical black hole; and on that note who cares how CERN wastes their money they aren’t gong to find anything new just because the LHC is bigger than all the other particle accelerators out there
matt
Are you guys serious? Black holes exist all over the universe, and they don’t seem to be blowing it all up now do they? If tiny black holes are created and they do not evaporate [but I assure you they will] then there will be very, very small black holes in the LHC that we will have to destroy. I’m sure it will all be fine.
efnx
Why would someone even WANT to try out a device like this, when they already know what the outcome could be. And according to their theory, what probably will happen.
Putting an end to the universe with this device leaves people with no choice, if it does work how scientists predict it will.
This is all about proving they’re theory is correct, at all costs. No matter what the risks? Unbelievable.
Anonymous
Don’t do it! My girlfriend broke up with me, I want to get laid before I die! LOL
15 yr old virgin
Don’t do it! My girlfriend broke up with me. I want to get laid before I die.
15 yr old virgin
There has been to much hype from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and his counter parts to really believe anything anyone says. I say try it, if there is a problem then unplug it. If you do not try, where is innovation and creativity? We as a people are so driven by our media that we have become afraid to drink from anothers glass.
Charles Miller
ok i am a little girl and when i reald this it scared me so bad i alomost passed out litterley my aunt and uncle had to calm me down and i do NOT think it is worth the risk i mean there are innocent people out there with families,lives,and futures so why end the world all over some stupid pice of junk really i dont want to know something so bad that i would risk the lives of trillions of people you people are not thinking about anyone elts and i think about this every night and start to cry knowing that my and my future and my families and there futures could end in just a couple of months im only 12…if you turn this thing on and it destroys the earth i wont even make it to the age thirteen…thanks
mikki
DON’T BOTHER SWITCHING IT ON… THE ANSWER YOU’RE LOOKING FOR IS 42!
Crashbang
i understand why they are doing it but i think the risk is far to great. I too have a terrible feeling that it will all go horribly wrong. Possibly people near Geneva will experience wormholes opening beyond the LHC with terrible consequence. Im also worried that even signularities (if they exist) could be produced after black holes evaporate (no one has mentioned that at all!). Of course i could be wrong and nothing will happen but i think it far better to try experiemnt far away from Earth (in deep space) or on the moon where if it all goes wrong its a long way from us. To try such a thing on Earth is absurd. What next? Expriment to delibareatly create a black hole to see what it is like or to “experiment” with space time itself to see how it behaves when “broken” i mean this is playing dice with existence itself!
David
We are all gonna Die! My friend wanted to be president some day but now she can’t. You guys ruin dreams!!!!!! DO NOT DO IT, PLEASE!!!!!!
Jillian
Texassnell…My remarks here may remind you of some movie, but perhaps that was the result of someone elses vision also. Look, I cannot convince you here that what I saw was a true vision of the future, I don’t know how that works, but I can tell you that you should be more concerned with what is happening with this collider then spending time making sarcastic remarks to me. The other thing is this….there is no room for hypothesis or mistakes..once done…its over. Some people seem like they don’t mind risking their lives or anyone else’s for the sake of what? What comes after OOOPS!?
Patricia
I do not understand what is the big deal about creating black holes! This world is full of black holes who are dying of hunger. What about, creating mass food production, this is more important for humanity.
Do not waste money and time in problems that has to be solved after all humans are safe.
J.C. Marsa
If I remember correctly, the collider will be activated in Sept. 2008 and the first particles will collide in Oct. 2008.
That’s the proof that it will not kill all life on our adorable little planet! Geez! Don’t you guys know that the world isn’t supposed to end in 2012?
Seriously though, people. Don’t listen to the mainstream media. The machine works when the citizens are scared. Fear makes people give away thier freedoms and civil rights, all with the intention of being made safe by thier governments. I would not be surprised if later this month someone wasn’t trying to sell a P.S.R.S (Personal Singularity Removal System) to the “learned” rubes surfing through Ebay.
I enjoy my life on this planet and would like to continue doing so. However, if for some reason this thing did create a mini-black hole that sucked up Earth (which it will not), I would much rather be one of the billions of casualties in a man-made planetary-devouring catastrophe (that isn’t pollution or global warming) than slipping in the shower, choking on a Big Mac, or of auto-erotic asphyxiation. You know, go out with a bang, not a whimper!
One last little side-note: If Earth did get swallowed up though (again, it will not) I understand that it will not be a litteral bang… it will be more like the demonic hand at the end of “Idol Hands.” *Sigh*… so anti-climactic.
At least the world population would be united in some way, huh?
Joshua Cole
come on people! have a little faith in the human race,we are not entirely a planet of dumb fucks!
hope
if you travel at a speed of over 30 mph you will suffocate and die.
sunfighter
hi
if you actually do it you would need to do it on the moon to suck the earth into it which would kill us all and then you wont find out if it works so you may as well not do it
so dont destroy the earth to find out
we can kill it ourself
annoyed
Call me crazy but I don’t see how possibly destroying the universe will bring us any answers, I am content being ignorant and still ALIVE!
Katie
woah? isn’t it too fast for mankind to try to make a blach hole. i don’t mean mankind should stop doing experiments to find out more about science but this experiment is too risky amd even though it has 1 chance in 50,000,000 it is still damn risky. a black hole isn’t a fire that you can put out by simply throwing water at it. it is a damn thing that has the most gravity in the whole universe.
but i also think of it this way. say the world gets destroyed, other life forms might learn something from this mistake of earthian aliensand do better for them. so i don’t care really.
mousam
I have a black hole already in my vallet and that one is not eating the universe
bleah
HOW CAN THEY BE SO NON-CHALANT ABOUT THIS AND SAY THAT THE INTELLEXCTUAL CONSEQUENCES COULD BE JUST AS BAD AS THE COLLAPSE OF ALL MATTER ON EARTH INTO BLACK HOLES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE END TO ALL EXISTENCE IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM. BLACK HOLES MAY START OUT SMALL, BUT THE MORE MATTER THEY TAKE IN THE MORE THEY GROW, WHICH WOULD PROVE DISASTROUS. HOW MUCH WOULD INTELLIGENCE BE WORTH IF WE DONT EXIST??
Jerameel
Hmmm. The world or universe won’t end. Matter or energy only changes form. Matter/energy will change in this dimension or on this membrane only. See you on the other side, in another dimension.
Noel Thornley
I know nothing about science whatsoever, but i would rather them not risk the future of are planet and i just hope its all bullshit. it aint worth it
tom
Look at humanity, who really cares anymore. Pull the lever and see what’s next.
Gentoo
ok…have you ever watched one of those old war movies where they call it a suicidal mission, well kids here we are. Who the hell cares about two holes that suck up stuff…we cant even cure AIDS let alone play God. Think about it why would you create something if you know it has potential to destroy EVERYTHING. If it fails your dead as well….
I say just leave it alone and find something else to work on beside universal devastation.
Donald C.
Black holes suck,
I’m more concerned about the billions of dollars being wasted than I am for the world being wasted.
Mike
You and I cannot stop them. The mini black holes would be disasterous, but we have no choice in the matter. I truly believe nothing will happen. My faith in God and Christ fortell me that this will not be the end of the world. Do not fear this,
Steve
Im only 17 and i dont know anything about this kinda stuff.What im saying is that man kind can destroy this world and it will happen. i just think we should mind our own bussniess about the whole big bang cus none of us were even there.so who cares what the world was like millons and billons of years ago not are part to find out. like some people said if you play god or pretend to be god …things will happen i just dont think spening 20-40billon$ is not enough to mess our already dieing planet up even more and it is just not our place right now to be doing this. so to the guys who are doing this dont blow up the world.
william
the human evolution must countinue, we must explore teh unknown whaever the price may be otherwise our existance is absolete
wja
aye..
people like some things like be left in explained goshhhhh wat happends if the world like ends come on yuo muther f*ckers gosh!!..
some people want to live here
xox
kc
kaysie
this is just stuffed up.
we all know that god created the universe
so why build a super weapon to see into the past
kevin
Don’t think anything more than a pop and a fizzle will occur in a physical sense. Will be far more dramatic froma theoretical physics point of view.
But even if things go wrong and the Earth as we know it is destroyed, so what? I’d rather go quick than watch humanity destroy itself slowly as it has been doing for centuries. Quite laughable reading the earlier doomsday comments that don’t mention anything about the destructive nature of the method of commenting that they themselves are using in the first place in order to make a statement here. Very narrow minded indeed.
HAL
If they can build this why cant I get a friken shark with a laser beam ?
btard
My cat eats grass…
JoshToast
I think we have bombed countries for mearly threatening other countries and these guys are threatening the Universe. Let’s nuke the shit out of them.
Dr. Strangelove
they are not trying to creat black holes its just a possable out come and a very slim one at that they are re-creating the conditions from nano seconds after the big bang hoping to find the “god partical” (the particals the make up mass” creat dark matter (flowws through everything and upon study could lead to manipulation of this unkown element cure cancer solve oil and energy criss could all result from study) Or hope to catch a glimpse of how and why we were all created.
dont worry about it
And the GEEKS shall inherit the earth
Craig Pannell
think about this: if said supercollider does destroy the earth/universe would you even know it??? its science, live or die with it!
fools
I don’t expect to learn anything new, or exciting considering the costs. It is a pork project for the under-employed physicists whose missions on earth are pretty much accomplished during the Einstein time, i.e., 1900s.
Suppose the machine helps to define a force that is much greater than all that are known, this force would certainly destroy our very existence. Or on the other hand, if we are to discover a force that is much weaker to all the forces that are known, the force will be useless for peaceful purposes due to the difficulties in detection. Most importantly, we should still leave some questions about the Universe unanswered to imaginations. Imagination is what keeps us Human being. The supercollider is a very costly bad idea in science which is designed to kill imaginations.
In the meantime, there are many pressing research in chemistry, biology, health care and other emerging areas of science that are struggling for funding. Scientist should learn to move on to newer areas of research that are more relevant to human activities and society.
Jack Hu
Man, if they can build crap like this, where in the hell are the flying cars? Or the little pills that you can pop into he microwave and get a whole turkey? geeze.. I think I would rather have those than some machine that collides two protons toward each other.. whoopdidoo.. hahaha
kristen
Amazing how the masses still believe in an antiquated notion of God. Let the human mind do what it does best…solve and create…and keep your Gods to yourselves.
Ryker
For once thing once they get this going we all will be happy or screwed. Mini Black holes hmm I dont think black holes disapate or fade away. They keep collecting matter and gas every particle they come in contact with making it bigger. Im not to shure how it works but in my mind if theres a small black hole it has to get bigger since it can gain more matter. Our solar system has a huge black hole in the center of it. Hmm basicly solar system= big black hole. They just “suck”. But anywho my other concern is the magnectic field this thing will put off. I dont thing we have a stroung enough shielding for this. And i know somthing of the LHC scale is bound to mess up the earths magnetic field eventually. But heck all we can do is wait and see. Live life up have fun. Cant b!tch all day.
random guy
ingore spelling. been awake for 36 hours
random guy
dont know wat to say…is it really already the end of the world? oh no! i’m just 21 yrs old.
my exboyfriend txted me last nyt.. he told me to watch CNN,about the atom collider en then he apologized his lapses when wer still together.he told me that he felt sori 4 all the bad things he done to me…now i know y he said all those things las nyt..
matet
These people are really trying to uphold this big bang theory, with out knowing that they cannot really surpassed the mind of God. They are spending big amount of money for nothing.
samkols
They should find their own solar system to do these tests. or take a vote.
Jeff tribble
So…..this is man’s way of ensuring our deaths?
Heheh….sounds fun -.-’
Oh well, it’ll spare us the taxes if we all end up getting sucked up by a blackhole
Ellyss
kk soo theres like maybe 10000 people involved in the thing and they wanna find out more bout the universe and it cud destroy us so pretty much these 10000 fucks hold 7 almost 8 billoin people lives in their hands cuz they wanna find shit out
mhm… makes sence
shane last
we are energy,really we are matter,they want our world switched from universe to negative,the opposite of us,thus darkmatter or antimatter,LOOK UP HETRODYNINGyou,ll see,we are POSITIVE MATTER.Thus our sign is the cross,OR POSITIVE.LIGHT AND DARK. OR BLACK AND WHITE!GOOD =GOD! electron=negative! POSITIVE VS NEGATIVE1
BERNIE
i am 16 and just had a beautiful boy
i would love to live longer to see
him grow.. please dont do this..
who cares how we got here we’re
here arent we?? so dont do it..
unknown
Look at this:
http://gaudwin.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!75D2857795790980!236.entry
A Gaudwin
i dont believe all this but think of all that money
couldnt that save all those people that dont have money and dont have homes THINK BEFORE YOU PLAN!!!!!!
kyle
For those of you finding this through StumbleUpon, please note this writeup is full of inaccuracies. There is no “Cernier Company” but rather the European Institute for Nuclear Research. They also fail to mention that the area of the LHC that would generate a black hole is run in a vaccuum. For a black hole to destroy the earth, it would have to be qualitatively large, and be close enough to matter to draw it in. an atomic-scale black hole has not the gravity to suck in, say, a person, and in a vaccuum, there is not enough “stuff” nearby for it to increase its mass, and thus its gravity. and the gravity of an singular atom is, obviously, small. Finally, the LHC operates at around 1 teravolt, equivalent to the cosmic rays you and I are bombarded with every day, and we see no adverse effects. No black holes in the atmosphere. The LHC is SAFE!
Jared
I have often wondered why we have so much time and resources to waste that are potentially disastrous, and so little on programs that could actually be beneficial to mankind. If this device actually produces small controllable black holes, Why wouldnt someone want to use it as a weopon. I dont think our so called great minds have ever considered all the consequences of thier actiions. Because of this we now have to deal with eco system collapse orbioteck disastor or particle accelerotor mishap. GO AHEAD SPEND OUR BILLIIONS AND TRILLIONS ON RESEARCH WHATEVER IT TAKES IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS. In the meantime millions will die of starvation or disease, things that are preventable, and for which we do have the resources. But what do I know you are all so smart and I am so stupid. Carry on experiment away. Good luck and your god be with you
arleatha hernandez
Hey - maybe the universe is “copy protected”
Kevin
Well…this all means one thing.
Something black WILL kill us all.
Thisisdumb
sOME OF THE ABOVE COMMENTS ARE FOOLISH.
Those who created the hbombs among others knew full well what they were creating.
Any of them who deny that are disgreguarding their own comments made during devleopement and etc..
Its a fact that in most cases they knew it.
What is different is the regrets after the fact.
But remember if they hadnt created them, the nazis or others may have been others to it and therefore we would be under dictatorship or similar.
Too many nuts ignore the reality of the situation and even ignore other facts such as the proofs that global warming is in fact a political hoax more than a real event.
Paul
http://techfreep.com/worlds-la.....iverse.htm
All my friends in cyber-space,
Click on the link above and see what they have to say about the super collider. They say it could destroy the universe, I say it will destroy more than we can shield against. Do not take them for granted. Don’t let them play Russian roulette with our lives. Don’t let them play it with theirs, either.
Send this to everyone you can think of, and have them send it to everyone they can think of, and just keep it going until it reaches somebody with the ability to say stop the accelerator!!!!!
If there is the slightest chance ot could destroy even itself they shouldn’t try it. These guys are going to blow up the planet and we have to stop them. Write you congressman and the president, and your governor…write anybody that might listen to you. When it comes to blowing up the world you cannot guess. If you don’t know, don’t guess! You only get one chance. I am positive it will explode, and it will be moving at the speed of light, and nothing on Earth can stop it….so we have to prevent it at all costs.
This will be a new type of bomb…we have fission bombs, and fusion bombs, and they are hell on Earth. This one will invlove spontaneous annihilation of the proton and it will travel at the poeed of light across the planet and nothing will stop it. Just imagine what a hydrogen bomb traveling at the speed of light across the planet will do to the atmosphere, not to mention the trees, and the hills and water. Hills won’t stop it. These scientist are stupid! They probably cheated their way through high school and college.
Haven’t you worked with people with good educations and found you were a lot smarter than they were? Just because you go to school or college doesn’t mean you’re smart. They think they are smart, but if they were they wouldn’t have to guess. Please send this to your e-mail friends and acquaintences. It has to be stopped.
David Edwin Latsha
131 South Third Street
Shamokin, Pa. 17872 U.S.A.
570-644-9184
570-644-2111
David Edwin Latsha
All my friends in cyber-space,
Click on the link above and see what they have to say about the super collider. They say it could destroy the universe, I say it will destroy more than we can shield against. Do not take them for granted. Don’t let them play Russian roulette with our lives. Don’t let them play it with theirs, either.
Send this to everyone you can think of, and have them send it to everyone they can think of, and just keep it going until it reaches somebody with the ability to say stop the accelerator!!!!!
If there is the slightest chance ot could destroy even itself they shouldn’t try it. These guys are going to blow up the planet and we have to stop them. Write you congressman and the president, and your governor…write anybody that might listen to you. When it comes to blowing up the world you cannot guess. If you don’t know, don’t guess! You only get one chance. I am positive it will explode, and it will be moving at the speed of light, and nothing on Earth can stop it….so we have to prevent it at all costs.
This will be a new type of bomb…we have fission bombs, and fusion bombs, and they are hell on Earth. This one will invlove spontaneous annihilation of the proton and it will travel at the poeed of light across the planet and nothing will stop it. Just imagine what a hydrogen bomb traveling at the speed of light across the planet will do to the atmosphere, not to mention the trees, and the hills and water. Hills won’t stop it. These scientist are stupid! They probably cheated their way through high school and college.
Haven’t you worked with people with good educations and found you were a lot smarter than they were? Just because you go to school or college doesn’t mean you’re smart. They think they are smart, but if they were they wouldn’t have to guess. Please send this to your e-mail friends and acquaintences. It has to be stopped.
David Edwin Latsha
131 South Third Street
Shamokin, Pa. 17872 U.S.A.
570-644-9184
570-644-2111
David Edwin Latsha
Here are a few of the things I have found that scientists of old have made gross errors with:
Size and age of the universe-no cosmological constant is necessary, the universe is much older that 10-20 billion years.
Time does not vary inversely with velocity..only the clock does.
Moving to a higher or lower location within the gravitational pull opf the planet does not alter the flow of time.
3×10 10th cm/sec has never been fully tested, and is wrongly assumed to be correct.
Nothing is infinite.
Standard temperature and pressure are not the only things that should be taken into consideration.
I can prove these thing to be falsehoods, and know they should not be allowed in the scientific community.
David Edwin Latsha
131 South Third Street
Shamokin, Pa. 17872 U.S.A.
570-644-9184
570-644-2111
These errors prove that no man should be taking a chance with our lives with particle accelerators.
David Edwin Latsha
I think this is prety cool myself
Brad Jackson
Thinking that “time” slows down when you travel at a high rate of speed is idiotic, and thinking the faster you go the slower time goes increases its’ worthiness of ridicule exponentially. Only a man with delusions of grandure could beleive that going fast makes time go slow. Any man that believes he is intelligent has to know that he is rating himself on a curve, and mankind is wallowing in his own ignorance…..the smarter you are the more you realize that all men are infantile intelectually, including ones’ self, as I do, and all men should! Anyone that reads this and is intelligent will realize that this is true, and mankind does not have the wisdom to be taking chances with the lives of the Earth. Do not try to accelerate these particles to such extremes!!!!
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David Edwin Latsha
Gentlemen, there is no margin for error in this field of science. We have been lucky until now, guessing at consequences, etc., but it has to stop. We cannot be lucky all the time, and one mistake and there goes everything. It is attempted suicide guessing at the outcome of these experiments, and anyone attempting suicide is out of their mind, and should be institutionalized, and not behind the controls of an accelerator with so much destructive potential. Anyone reading this statement or any other statement to this effect should do all they can to stop this lunacy even if it means setting up a picket line, and/or doing something illegal and un-thinkable! The safety of the planet is the main concern. I’d sacrifice my life to stop these mad-men.
Lord David Edvin Von Lattishaw
So, just so I’m clear on this. You’re afraid that banging subatomic particles together - and I don’t even have time to impress upon you how small these thing are - will generate a black hole large enough to destroy the Earth. Said hypothertical black hole would have to have enough mass not to evaporate in seconds, which would be a mass hundreds of times that of the sun. Now I don’t actually know that much about the LHC, but I’m going to assume that there are only two particles in a given experiment. Please forgive my lack of knowledge. In any case, you claim:
Mass of 2 particles = mass 100 times greater that our sun’s mass.
FIRST LAW OF THERMODYMANICS. You can’t create energy, and by extention you can’t create matter (because matter is THE SAME as energy). So where do two particles get all the mass needed to produce the mass of a star 100 times that of the sun? It doesn’t work.
P.S.: 100 sm is an approximation. I’m fairly certain that it is a good approximation, but an approximation nonetheless. Forgive me.
P.P.S.: The thing with the apostrophes - also forgive me. That is my computer’s fault.
man with common sense
we will destroy the world anyway
so lets do it quick
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im condensing a lot of stuff for the governor generals bureau.
Jordon James Wallace
This Hole = 1/2 of 1 % of the mass of a Galaxy and holds it all together, to the very edge of the Galaxy, a #@*!!!! Galaxy Dude! We will just create a small one to play with, Yeah that will be real fun to play with guys…Idiots gone wild!
Mr. Wizzard
I would really like to know the DATE and TIME these idiots plan to fire this major waste of resources and money up! I’ve got a few things left to do on this earth before a hand full of geeks get thier way! Do you suppose they gave any thought to the fact they could have found a cure for cancer or any number of mental or health issues with those resources and money? NOPE!!! probably won’t have to worry about those little problems after they’re done!!!
concerned
This is a very good project to know about our earth……….
aravind
This is a very good project to our coming generation to know about earth.
aravind
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Jerome Zoser NeaL
It won’t disintegrate the universe; too many Biblical prophecies are yet to be fulfilled. Disintegration is not how it’s going to end.
Russell
Wow….this thing has been operating for….how long now? Amazing that everyone was so damn scared that the world was going to blow up. You all remind me of the retards that went and stocked up for Y2K.
KT
The risks of this experiment, in my opinion, outweigh the rewards. There is a chance (however unlikely) that everything on earth will be wiped out and then some. This is something where if we are wrong, there is no fixing it. You can’t see that the tiny black whole isn’t going away and just throw water on it to put it out. If a mistake is made, its irreversible and the results, as the article said, “unfathomable”. All of this for what? Satisfying one’s curiosity? Is there any real gain to be made other than humans understanding more? And how many (in relation to the vast numbers of people in the world) that are truly curious about this could fully understand and/or appreciate the results of a test like this?
Dontplaygod
I am amazed at the level of ignorance in these responses. The fact that we are even able to use technology to post information here is largely due to theoretical physics and experimentation.
Just ur everyday rural physics nut
hahahaha, you people are morons. You have no understanding of physics and hear the term ‘black hole’ and act like chicken little. Dumbfuks. they have done this and many other experiments and the world isnt ending. If you understood even a little about black holes you would understand that blackholes the size they are trying to create are too small to prevent themselves from instantly being ripped apart and therefore no more black hole. OMG THE END OF THE WORLD.. i wish it were the end of you dumbfuks
Awesome-O
Bahaha, these comments are priceless. Personally, I’d technology to advance to a point where humans can actually understand the universe they live in. On with the experiments.
Boeo
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Boeo